Comment on in all fairness italian cuisine is a relatively recent invention

gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  British food is actually top tier

  Stopped reading. Actually, gonna block you right after writing this message. I don’t want to know anything from you ever again lmfao.

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• tiramichu@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  As a British person myself, I completely disagree that our food is anything you would call top tier.

  We have some nice food (as you mentioned) but it’s the exception, rather than the rule.

  As a child I was forced to eat a lot of Sunday roasts at the grandparents that were bland and anemic and mushy, with veg boiled within an inch of its life, and where the meat was the only good part. I don’t think my experience was atypical.

  British food these days is getting better all the time, but mostly because modern British food is a cultural fusion of tastes and techniques from everywhere in the world, and thanks to the Internet people are actually learning how to cook. Good roasts these days have sweetly caramelised oven-roast veg with olive oil and herbs and seasonings, and are a million miles from the mush I was served as a child.

  But has British food historically been good? No, it has not.

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  • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    As a child I was forced to eat a lot of Sunday roasts at the grandparents that were bland and anemic and mushy, with veg boiled within an inch of its life, and where the meat was the only good part

    And I used to date an Indian lass who was the worst cook I’ve ever met in my life, the food she made was truly disgusting. But that doesn’t mean all Indian food is bad.

    I know self-flagelation is a time honoured tradition of hours, but the whole “Britain bad” circlejerk is just getting annoying now.

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    • tiramichu@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sure, there are always exceptions.

      I’m not being self-deprecating for the sake of it - I’m speaking what I feel from personal experience. And on the basis of that experience I would rank the average state of British food well below the average state of food in a pretty wide spread of other places.

      And that’s what I’m basing it on - averages, not exceptions.

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    • lobut@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I’m getting a bit tired of it myself. It’s fun to banter but there’s not really much banter left.

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  • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But has British food historically been good? No, it has not.

    Oh boy. You should Google that, because you couldn’t be more wrong.

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• matlag@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Italian is quicker and easier to make

  Oh no! No it is not!
  If you want a real Bolognese sauce, know it needs to simmer for a looooong time, and if you’ve never had this, you never had a real Bolognese sauce! Nothing you will find pre-made in a jar will ever match the fresh one!
  It’s just like pizzas: fresh made are incomparable to frozen ones.
  Italian food was made “quick-and-convenient” by the food industry because it is top-tier, not because it was initially quick and convenient.
  And industry italian-style food is of a much lower standard than genuine italian cuisine.

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• AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This affirms my hypothesis that the problem with British food is that they still have their nobility. France is the textbook example of the process - after they guillotined their nobles the good chefs that once served the elite had to offer their services to the general populace. But Britain? Only the nobles (or otherwise wealthy people) can have their servants at home prepare “a roast dinner or a beef wellington or a proper steak and ale pie”, while the comments have to settle for “some fish fingers and chips in the oven”.

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