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Alabaster_Mango@lemmy.ca â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Ok, I live in Alberta, Canada. I grew up in the woods of Northern Alberta. We can get week long bouts of -40°C/F and I have NEVER seen or heard of exploding trees in the area. Are American trees just weak, or is this fake?
Trees further south have different conditions.
When we get cold snaps before 15f in the mid Atlantic tree sap that doesnât usually freeze will freeze and limbs will pop. Iâve never seen a tree explode but Iâve definitely heard trees blowing limb and bits of themselves in the woods. Wind exacerbates the phenomenon
It was raining here two weeks ago. Temperatures were in the 20-30s earlier this week. Itâs being far below freezing AND recent warm weather thatâs the danger.
It isnât common, and explode is an exaggeration for what I have seen - just cracked bark (though the crack was probably abrupt and loud). Montana gets some every now and again, so I am guessing at least some parts of Alberta do too. Nobody has made a big deal about it in the past outside of folks interested in trees. This is some weird media hype.
The use of the word âexplodeâ is misleading. Itâs definitely misinformation.
Hereâs an arborist talking about it, but basically:
Trees move sap and other liquids up and down their trunk from the soil underneath regularly. For trees like maples, this is where maple syrups comes from, except you have to collect a lot of sap and reduce it down to syrup.
The arborist claims that these liquids present in the tree when the temperature swings faster than the tree can respond expand due to freezing, which buckles tree trunks causing the outer bark to crack open and separate. The cracks can be from the ground up, or they can look like gashed in the side of the tree. Thereâs moisture in the soil too, which can shift tree roots and cause similar cracking.
People say âexplodeâ because thereâs usually a popping sound when this happens.
In other contexts, people call this frost upheave. Engineers know about this phenomenon, and try to bury equipment like pipes and cable and conduit below the frost line so frost upheave doesnât crack and break that stuff. With trees, this frost upheave just takes place inside trees themselves.
Ok, that makes sense. I figured that, if anything, it would be frost weathering. Thatâs not an âexplosionâ in my mind though. Perhaps when a crack forms a lot of the tension in the wood is released and it can cause a sudden jolt or shift? If all the snow and frost on a tree suddenly jumped off after a loud crack I could see someone calling that an explosion. Definitely a lot of misleading terms and info kicking around. Thanks!
I'd guess it's the species that grow there. If they regularly see -40C they'd have to have evolved to cope with it.
t could also be part of how they grow - i dunno maybe narrower / more flexible rings, better insulation, or better ways to store sap in winter conditions.
I assume this is in an area where such a temperature is very rare.
Most trees do have some radial cracks in them though - probably just some very rare cases those cracks get big enough for the tree to fall or split visibly on the outside and someone calls it an "explosion" for dramatic effect.
The trees donât âexplodeâ but young spindly trees can shatter if the conditions are just right, (and they are not right now). Itâs very rare to have happen.
Source: I live in northern Minnesota. And I live closer to Winnipeg than the Twin cities.
I have been in extreme cold and not heard of this either. When it gets below 0 f, they make noises, like cracking, but just noise.
protist@mander.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm going to guess it has to do with how quickly the temperature change occurs, or other environmental factors. It seems to be a somewhat rare occurrence, even in places where it gets very cold
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
In Alberta a chinook can make the temp go from -20 to 20 in a matter of hours, the same backwards.
buffing_lecturer@leminal.space â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Huh TIL
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They also create clippers on their way to states, hence the term Alberta Clipper.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Does wind chill make water freeze faster?
Deceptichum@quokk.au â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The helicopter?
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
With enough flamethrowers, or an atom bomb, Iâm sure the same could be attained.
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The ones that would explode did a loooong time ago.