Comment on Ska ftw

PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• ArfArfWoof@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  YOU’RE a punk subgenre >:(

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  • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    YO MOMMA is a punk subgenre!

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    She’s awesome!

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    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I concur, their momma is mighty fine.

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• SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The three that are not punk itself. Emo and goth both came out of punk, and ska was fused with punk by the time of two-tone.

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  • NachBarcelona@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m genuinely curious how Goth came out of Punk.

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    • Katrisia@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Basically, some people started incorporating gloomy aspects to punk aesthetics and music. Gloomy aspects from literature, film, tropes. Some were looking to express similar political sentiments but in a more metaphorical way, I suppose; that’s my impression, that there was an added element of artistry/artsy there. Some were looking to add also subjective themes (madness, unlove, etc.). Example

      This gave us post-punk and similar sounds in the very late 70s and mostly early 80s. You probably know some bands that were influential. Example.

      Anyway, the mohawk grew longer, blacker. Still teased, often shaved, but creepier. The leyering in clothing also became blacker or creepier (transparent layers, protagonism of the net layers). Theatrical and extravagant outfits emerged, inspired by the decade’s fashion too. Example in music video A. Example in music video B.

      Famously, the night club called “The Batcave” started reuniting bands and listeners, and in the 80s many countries had similar venues. A little more aggressive or punkier sound persisted with a genre called deathrock. There was now post-punk, deathrock, goth rock, darkwave (inspired by the synth-driven genres of the 80s), etc. Example A. Example B.

      The subculture was consolidated around these genres, and then the name “Goth” stayed, and then more communication and inspiration… And nowadays social media keeps many things alive through teachings in video and, I guess, text, like this one. Why? In part, because [context] a person that is new to all this world is called a “baby bat” and [/context] most Goths are protective and integrating of baby bats.

      And that’s it. There was a good deathrock revival in the late 00s and early 10s. Example. And today there’s an obsession to bring back the original elements but it’s all still very different (and often cliched, which I don’t like, personally).

      Here’s some Goth music from recent years. Another one. And another one.

      (More knowledgeable Goths, correct or add as needed).

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      • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks, it turns out I didn’t know what goth music was.

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      • angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Thank you too, love this kind of random enlightening comments!

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      • NachBarcelona@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Holy moses, thanks for all that effort! Good read!

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  • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah, after commenting that I considered that what some people consider goth is actually post-punk (the punk connection should be obvious), but then remembered goth rock exists obviously does not come from punk. Ska and emo though for sure, emo by ways of post-hardcore, by ways of hardcover, by ways of protopunk and you’ve already covered the ska lineage

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    • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Goth-rock started from post-punk, with Bauhaus and Siouxsie and the Banshees following the lead of Joy Division. Not sure what kind of goth-rock you mean that didn’t start there.

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      • NachBarcelona@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Post punk.
        And dub, glam, reggae, Krautrock.

        “Mozart came from Gregorian chants.“

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    • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      My understanding is punk came anbout ant least in part of the out first wave of ska, not the other way around.

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      • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I can’t claim deep familiarity with that era, but I’ve never heard of punk being derived from ska. Garage rock, Velvet Underground, The Stooges were the progenitors of punk, and in neither those nor Ramones, New York Dolls, Suicide, or Sex Pistols can I hear any traces of ska. It’s rather that these bands, Ramones in particular, were returning to raw energy of rock-n-roll and garage rock, against the fancy glam-rock.

        Ska, reggae and dub certainly influenced post-punk, and in turn punk influenced the second wave of ska, both emerging almost simultaneously around '78-79.

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• NachBarcelona@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  No Patrick, Goth and Emo are not an instrument punk.

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  • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Emo literally stands for “Emotive Hardcore”, i.e “Hardcore Punk”

    Goth music is rooted in Post-Punk.

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