I hope you learn to enjoy fiction and stop being so miserable for your own sake
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tetris11@feddit.uk 3 weeks agowhat a boorish genocidal anime, with such a kickass theme song
Soulg@ani.social 3 weeks ago
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Idk doesn’t sound very miserable, just sounds like you got angry because they don’t like Frieren.
So, I guess… I hope you learn to enjoy reality and stop being so miserable for your own sake.
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I’m not making an argument, but I’m curious whether you feel the same way about demons in Frieren.
tetris11@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I do.
Frieren seems so chill and passive, except when it comes to demons and then it’s like “NO THEIR KIND CANNOT BE TRUSTED”, and everyone’s like “will you chill? it’s just a kid” and she’s like “THE CHILD MUST DIE”
See my stackexchange post asking for clarification on this:
…stackexchange.com/…/on-what-basis-does-frieren-s…
Apparently the answer is “all is explained in the manga, how dare you ask this question”
Feyd@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Wow the only thing true in this post is that you asked a question on stack overflow
tetris11@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I guess I was trying to be funny, but came across as deranged(?)
Apologies to anyone I offended
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Couple of things here, demons aren’t an organic species in frieren, they’re crafted directly from magic itself to kill people. They’re 40k orcs, but slower to breed. They’re human shaped because of Darwinian mechanisms that allowed them to live longer in the shape of humans. Each any every one of them is a sociopath masking it with a malevolently high iq, with psychology of an inherently foreign base.
They’re allowed to exist freely, they choose war at every turn as their base. In fact, their king seeks coexistence and understanding, but does so by genociding humanity for a literal millennium in order to build a psychological basis for humankind’s behavior. Some demon leaders suggested that humanity would be completely wiped out to exist long before their king might finally bridge the gap.
Attempts at coexistence continue to occur, but all turned out to be subterfuge, with the ends being genocide. There’s a vague suggestion that this is a time travel based Douglas Adams-esque god crafted world-computer created to quantize human psychology, but that is also monstrous. Anyway, read the comic if you want to understand.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Maybe the themes of a piece of media should be judged by our standards in our world instead of going by the built in justifications of its author
remon@ani.social 3 weeks ago
Definitely not, the show is pretty much a 1:1 adaptation of the manga.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
That also wasn’t the answer they received on stack exchange. The anime is also still being adapted, and the manga isn’t even finished.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Did you read the top reply? It doesn’t even mention the manga and explains exactly, what I would have thought was the answer to your question. Maybe the manga goes more into detail (later?), but the main parts are there:
Do I find this trope boring? A bit.
Does it fit the show? I think so. Is it wrong to have such a species in a show? No.
It’s fantasy and most races can work together. Having an irredeemably evil race as enemy just makes it easier to ignore ethical questions in fights (for me and a lot of other people).
Because if the show tells us, that they are indeed always and irredeemably evil, then we can ignore all those questions and just enjoy the fight. (Jajaja, that’s what the Nazis
didstill do, I know!)Feyd@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I wouldn’t say they’re evil. It’s basically like thinking you can be friends with a tiger. They’re on a completely alien ethical framework to humans. Killing humans is the natural thing to do, so of course they do it.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Downvoted for being right, the fact that more people aren’t suspicious of an anime with a bunch of german names and aesthetics that also just happens to feature a race of non-people who are incurably evil and can never be trusted is baffling to me
tetris11@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I’d say that the German aesthetic prevails in anime largely because it’s got those idealistic ruralist one-with-nature mountain vibes, rather than the love for fascism.
Southern Germany especially is a beautiful idealistic landscape (warst su schonmal in…), though you’d see the “old europe” more in places like Bosnia than in Germany, but Bosnian culture is less accessible
Frieren’s fascism seems to be largely a personal thing specific to her, rather than something that all the other characters exhibit. I’m hopong there’s an arc that proves her wrong in her beliefs about demons
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Damn, people are real mad you don’t like their elf waifu.
theneverfox@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Frieren actually is exploring something here. The demons actually aren’t human, and the show sets her up as appearing intolerant to show that no, these actually just aren’t people
The demons are just demons. They just want to eat people. They’re intelligent, but entirely alien
They’re the old school pure evil anime demons, but in a time where demons in anime have become relatable
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It just feels like a waste kind of to kill them though. Humanity learned so much by reverse-engineering, and then later refining their magic. To kill them before understanding everything they have to offer, feels… limiting somehow
degen@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
You’re getting a lot of shit, but I get you. When the demons were introduced, I had a moment of “ayo what if Frieren is the baddie the whole time and demons are misunderstood”. The only thing is it quickly solidifies that the demons are just evil, even though I don’t necessarily like that one-dimensional narrative of good and evil.
It probably doesn’t help that I finished Attack on Titan just before so I already had elusive, internalized fascism on my mind. I think that’s sort of the point with Frieren though. She’s supposed to be capital G Good, which is inexplicably brutal toward evil, and that’s where the dimensionality comes in.
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I still can’t get where AoT lies on the fascism spectrum
spoiler
On the one hand you’ve got these group of powerful people who were almost genocided, and then on the other you’ve get them genociding the rest of the world back as an ultimate survival strategy. But Eren’s final form doesn’t exactly have the audience rooting for him, even when his motivations are explained. I expected another season where the whole world would unite to take him down, but that did not seem to happen…
So I just can’t figure AoT out. Was the whole thing a commentary on fascism itself, or was it literally a revenge/survival plot?
absentbird@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Do you feel the same way about zombies?
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
They do exhibit intelligence, learning strategies, and we do no reverse engineer methods. So, no.