Yeah, I think brits and other europeans can generally agree on american plugs
Comment on British plugs
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 2 months ago
I would be mildly annoyed at 110v in easy reach with metal with out an isolation switch.
markz@suppo.fi 2 months ago
gigachad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So how does it work in the US then? Is there a law that everything needs to be isolated very well, no metal shells allowed or people just getting electrocuted from time to time
Devial@discuss.online 2 months ago
They are referencing the lack of isolation on the prongs for US plugs. If a US plug isn’t fully inserted, it’s possible for both of the two prongs to form electrical connections with the outlet, whilst not yet being fully inserted.
This means a small part of the prongs which are now at 110V potential to each other is exposed, and could potentially be touched by a child, or cause a short circuit if an object gets into the gap.
So yeah, the electrical code in the US for household plugs is just straight unsafe.
For comparison, on non grounded EU plugs this could also occur. Which is why non grounded EU plugs are required to either have insulation on the upper half of the prongs, or the plug needs to have “shield” that fits into the recessed recepticles we use, thereby blocking access to the prongs.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
:) only the strong survive.
An actual answer: you very quickly learn to pull in a way that prevents your fingers from slipping onto the prongs, or you just pull the cord to remove things from outlets. That creates its own long term problems, but most people don’t really give a shit because the US is built off cheap plastic shit that you simply replace when it breaks.
That being said, I’ve received like 5 or 6 good hits of the 110v wake up due to the eccentricities of the US plug. It hurts like a bitch, but probably won’t kill you if you don’t have a pace maker and aren’t grabbing something grounded with the other hand.
We also only use GFCI in the bathroom and kitchen and don’t use RCD breakers. It’s honestly astonishing that the US electrical system doesn’t kill more people.
SolSerkonos@piefed.social 2 months ago
An actual answer: you very quickly learn to pull in a way that prevents your fingers from slipping onto the prongs
…Do you, though? Because this thread is the first time I’ve considered this as a problem- which I agree it could be better designed in general but especially for child safety purposes- and I’ve been around American plugs my entire life. I’ve never been shocked, unless we’re counting the time I grabbed an electric fence because I was an idiot teenager being goaded by other idiot teenagers.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I also have big hands, but some plug designs are so low profile that if they are plugged into a particularly tight receptacle, you can’t get good leverage to remove them. You get the plug partially out, then try to reposition your grip to pull it the rest of the way or you grab it too far forward and your fingers slip while squeezing, and BAM, zapped.
Power strips are the biggest culprit for this one, since your fingers can end up on the seam between cord and strip and more easily slip under when unplugging.
Devial@discuss.online 2 months ago
A GFCI is the same thing as an RCD, they’re just different terms. They both have the same function: detecting leakage current, and isolating the electrical connection as soon as it does.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I am aware, but GFCI is the common term in the US, especially for outlets. RCD is used most other places. I was trying to keep the terminology consistent to what would be expected regionally.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
just pull the cord to remove things from outlets.
For those playing along at home: please do not do this.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 months ago
Never considered that Europeans don't know the wonderful sensation of 110v. It can vary from a slight tingle (it's not even tingle, but I can't describe it) to a "holy shit" moment that throws you back, depending on how and where you touched it and how much current flows. The great thing about A/C is the cycle, unlike a DC current which can lock your muscles and keep you from letting go.
cynar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve taken a 240VAC hit a few times. That will definitely wake you up.
Interestingly, the only times it has happened have been when I’ve been abusing the wiring. Never via a plug etc.
bryndos@fedia.io 2 months ago
Many European electricians - and plenty of non-electrician idiots like me - will have had 240vac shocks, which are probably similar just a bit more nippy and will get worse faster than 110vac. I think the human body is also a weird electrical resistor that goes down with voltage.
I'd not describe it as 'wonderful' or a 'slight tingle'. It's a pretty fierce bite. shocking is the word I'd use.
I'd think if I'd had a few and got used to it, or if i knew it was coming maybe i'd downplay that a bit. But i've tightened up my unplugging process now (dayglow tape) to be sure i've unplugged the right plug. It was enough to know I don't want another unexpected 240vac zap.
I'd be pretty east to wrap 2 loops and 1 . . . no , leave that to electroboom.
Devial@discuss.online 2 months ago
Having switched outlets wouldn’t make US plugs any safer, at least not in any meaningful way.
The individual switches on UK outlets don’t really add significantly to safety, they’re mostly just a convenience feature, because for an electrical plug/outlet to even be considered safe in the first place, it has to be always safe, whether it’s powered or not. You can’t rely on people switching off unused outlets instead of doing actual safety design.
The main factors that make US plugs less safe than UK ones is the potential for exposed metal contacts with a closed connection to the outlet, the lack of internal fuse and the lack of polarisation, and, particularly in combination with the first point, the tendency of comparatively weak grip strength and portruding design that make it easy for a plug to become (partially) unplugged by accident.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
One feature of UK plugs I really like is the built in warding of the live/neutral slots. The ground prong is longer to allow for the mechanism to unlock the hot slot when inserted. It’s essentially a built in childproofing.
Devial@discuss.online 2 months ago
Jup, that’s a really good feature. You can get aftermarket child shutters for EU style plugs as well, but they require you to twist the plug before inserting, making them kinda inconvenient, and they have to be specifically installed by parents. Though I don’t think that’s the worst thing in the world. After all, we don’t make any of our other products or home designs toddler safe by default. It’s generally regarded as the parents responsibility to ensure their home is child proof before they get a child.
But the UK version of just having it in every outlet as a hidden feature that you wouldn’t even notice if you don’t know it’s there is definitely the best approach.
(Though it does make low form factor UK plugs almost impossible, because every plug must have a ground prong, if there’s no actual safety need to have one)
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 months ago
Perhaps it could be revised by adding two unearthed Europlug round-pin sockets below the broad pins, though within a recess shaped like the thin European plugs to prevent the connection of earthed plugs, and declaring Europlug to be a British standard for unearthed mains, for use with devices not requiring earthing. Not sure if the geometry would work out, though.