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fonix232@fedia.io ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

See, the distinction between a pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile exists for a good reason.

But the thing is, the moment you start getting into those differences, it immediately makes you sound like a pedophile.

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Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Only because online people are dumb as fuck. They cant process the nuance of basic arguments. They just want simple clickable buzzwords to like, share and subscribe. This is why we now have some of the dumbest cunts in the world claiming that 25 year old “children” cant consent…

Rape of woman, rape of a teenager, rape of a child, rape of a baby. To put these under one umbrella term is fucking weird. Its like saying “Americans voted for Trump”. Its true, but its not accurate. And Im pretty fucking sure theres a lot of Americans would take issue with that statement.

Everyone just needs to take a page out of the UK play book, and call him a fucking nonce!

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- Credibly_Human@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Only because online people are dumb as fuck
  
  What I find very funny about this very unoriginal “online is so different than real life” line of thought, is that the comment you are responding to are one of the most popular jokes from stand up comedian Gianmarco Soresi.
  
  They cant process the nuance of basic arguments.
  
  People can, there just aren’t any of substance to be made on this topic. Raping kids is bad.
  
  This is why we now have some of the dumbest cunts in the world claiming that 25 year old “children” cant consent…
  
  This is such a wild strawman to fight against, completely unrelated to the topic at hand its very interesting this is what you’ve chosen to bring up.
  
  To put these under one umbrella term is fucking weird.
  
  No one is putting all of those under one term. You’ve added woman adn even teenager (purposefully vague) to that list because it makes your pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile appear stronger than it actually is, which is very weak.
  
  Everyone just needs to take a page out of the UK play book, and call him a fucking nonce!
  
  To make all of this noise about lacking nuance just to suggesting using a more local synonym for pedophile is a pretty ridiculous hill to die on.
  
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  - Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I love it when one of the dumb cunts I mentioned comes in, to then say dumb cunt shit at me lol
    
    Gianmarco Soresi.
    
    Whoever the fuck that is.
    
    No one is putting all of those under one term.
    
    Yeah, they are. And you know they are, because we are fucking here because you dumb cunts dont like being wrong, and so just went straight to “you must be a pedo too!!!”.
    
    Youre arguing against language being used to be accurate. If you want a blanket term, I gave you “nonce”. If you dont like that, you can have child abuser, or child rapist. Paedophile already has an exact meaning. And its not, as dumb cunts love to say, a 30 year old man dating a 25 year old.
    
    Fucking Americans.
    
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    Credibly_Human@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Its crazy you think I must be American to think child rape is bad. That’s such a peculiar line of thought.
    
    This whole comment is a trip, all based on you making things up to be mad at because you know what you actually want to argue against isn’t acceptable to argue against.^___^
    
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Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
One of the many reasons it’s impossible to have an honest and mature discussion on the topic. No one cares to actually be accurate with terminology just because it’s “icky”

Now if only we could also get research funding on the topic that doesn’t have a billion strings attached to the researchers or the results being locked away forever because no one wants their name attached.

Or the best one peer review being basically impossible on the topic.

It’s such a huge problem.

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- SippyCup@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is not only wrong it’s extremely wrong.
  
  It’s a well documented sexual dysfunction with diagnosis codes and treatment methods (really mostly coping mechanisms and therapy) and everything.
  
  Not all people who are pedophiles rape children or consume CSM. Some people have the presence of mind to seek out help. Those people are people we can have an adult discussion about and if you want to be specific with definitions with them, fine. Be my guest.
  
  For the people who raped minors, or consumed CSM? Literally does not fucking matter what you call them. Any discussion on exactly the right word to use is a targeted distraction from the point. You’re either willfully and knowingly engaging in that distraction, or you’re ignorant of the harm some people are trying to cause by doing so.
  
  He’s a pedophile. Everybody that went to Epstein’s Island is a pedophile, rapist, child molester, whatever, or in the very best case complicit in those crimes.
  
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  - volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I see your point about distraction from the matter, and I agree there. At the same time I am very bothered by the media coverage saying pedophile 99% of the time. Because, as you have mentioned in your first two paragraphs, pedophilia is a disorder, and not every pedophile/ephebophile/hebephile is an offender or consumes CSM. They should be calling them child rapists, sex offenders who raped minors, whatever. At least in Epstein’s case you can reasonably assume he did, indeed, have a sexual disorder, I’m not sure if it is true for all his clients. But they all are child sex offenders, there is no doubt about that.
    
    Language matters. The last decade was putting such an emphasis on this, but with this case a lot of people seem to agree that “language distracts”. Let it be vague, everyone knows what is meant. Don’t distract from the important matter by being specific about the words you use. Well, I disagree, and I disagree not because it is ephebophilia or hebephilia, I disagree because a) It’s not about the …philia, it is about the offenses committed, and thus b) there are more precise terms that should be used in this case, and these terms (child rapist, statutory rape, child sex trafficker, etc) sound much harsher anyway. Also c) you are working against the interest of non offending pedophiles here and dismantle any awareness there is about everything you had pointed out above. Language matters for them as well.
    
    I’m lucky enough to have a very bland, healthy sexual orientation and preference, but I do have a kid, and God knows I want to protect her from harm.
    
    For this, I need people who are attracted to minors to be open about it, and they won’t be if we run with torches after them for just their orientation, or if we keep calling every person who offended a minor a pedophile. They won’t be open or seek help, and the discourse right now is incredibly counterproductive.
    
    I also need people to be more aware that about half of sex offenses concerning minors are committed by people who have no attraction dysfunction. If it were so easy as to just “remove all the pedophiles” to stop child sex offenses.
    
    So, in my opinion, the response to “ackshually he’s not a pedophile” should be “you’re right, he sex trafficked and raped minors. Better now?”
    
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  - HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Using the wrong terminology does attract unwanted attention to the wrong group though, because now a lot of people are saying “kill all pedophiles!” and that definition somehow also extends to the non-offending ones you mentioned. Those people don’t deserve all that fire for a paraphilic disorder they didn’t choose and are still actively in control over.
    
    There really isn’t a way to protect the non-offenders from this outrage other than a collective effort to clarify our terminology. I’ve been using “rapist” instead: it’s short, gets the point across, and is accurate.
    
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  - Protozoan5149@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Seek out help? In the US? Lol good one
    
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