Comment on "Does Hitler have a right to privacy?" and other big questions in research ethics.

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe we want to clone Hitler but raise him to be antifa.

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  • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Reminds me of a classic AskReddit aneurysm post.

    If Hitler was Hitler today, and Hitler cloning machine. You hold world hostage with Hitler Clone Hitler Unlimited Hitler. What hold hostage with exchange for Hitler Hitler?

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    • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This post made me reach semantic satiation of the word “Hitler” and it’s kinda nice. A word so filled with disgust has ceased to even register as a word in my brain.

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    • NotSteve_@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Image

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    • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Real ambienposting hours

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Give hitler me give eat hitler me eat hitler give me eat hitler give me you

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  • MooseWinooski@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll allow it.

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• TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah to me that’s the biggest objection… he’s long dead, he has no surviving family that wants good for him to my knowledge. So to me that’s kind of on the same level as, digging up mummies. The evil actions he commited in life don’t really come into play here, and agreed it’s really stupid idea to think that his behavior is genetic.

  Kind of reminds me of when most of the nazi generals swore to have no kids to not carry on their DNA, except one, who said “No I won’t sign that pledge, that’s eugenics which is nazi ideology”.

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• DaedalousIlios@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think this is about “is evil genetic.” The first psragraph of the article states it’s about his underlying health conditions. Which I think is absolutely worth studying, if it means spotting the early warning signs and intervening before another person ends up like Hitler.

  But then I remember the world we live in and realize it’s probably not at all going to end up like that. So who knows? But they’re definitely not going to find “the Evil Gene.”

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  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The “underlying health conditions” they mention are a possible predisposition for schizophrenia, autism, bipolar disorder, and kallman syndrome. Things that most certainly do not create hilters, and if it’s being argued by anyone that they may then it is indeed apologia for fascist ideology. The thing that actually does create hitlers.

    I think that his genetics can significantly illuminate or inform historical events, but having it out there in our media environment just begs to have it abused and misconstrued by the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

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    • DaedalousIlios@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exaclty my point. It’s information that could help us understand what conditions lead to the path he went down and thus help us understand what we can do to better prevent people from tumbling down the facist pipeline, such as better support for people with mental health issues and neurodivergent people.

      But that’s not how the wider world is going to receive that information. They’re going to see “autism causes facism” or some shit and mistreat people even harder without the slightest hint of irony.

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      • rhombus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Your second paragraph is exactly why this line of thinking is dangerous. People with disabilities aren’t uniquely prone to dangerous ideologies. No matter how good the intentions are this would only create an association between disability and becoming fascist, which does nothing but hurt vulnerable people in the long run. We can support them without fear-mongering about how dangerous they may be otherwise.

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We learned he had a micro penis, a potent weapon against his neo-nazi fans. The value is already immense.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And monorchidia

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• etherphon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is there any value to make 2 million Hitler documentaries? No, but they do it anyways.

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• ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  not really… identifying and/or ruling out genetic origins of diseases isn’t racism.

  my moral objection to this is: we shouldn’t be scanning and storing hitler’s dna; that’s how you end up with Hitler clones.

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  • smh@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The sort that would make a Hitler clone would be happy with a direwolf-style pseudo-clone with good marketing.

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• BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It's historically interesting to maybe understand who he was as a human being. He's often painted as a monster but he was a human, and is a warning to all of us what evil human's can achieve.

  For example, they're revealed he had Kallmann Syndrome (which can cause a micropenis and undescended testes) - he may have essentially been essentially asexual which may explain some of his life choices and why he was so dedicated to politics and gaining power. They've also shown he had high genetic risks for psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia, as well as ADHD, autism.

  Sensationalist reporting aside, these findings do add something to our understanding of a historical figure who had massive influence on human history.

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• Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nazis will take any data they want and turn it evil, even if it’s only half true. And they’ll ignore data that conflicts with their belief. It doesn’t matter what science discovers.

  We already have evidence that some forms of “evil” are inheritable. This isn’t new. For instance example, I saw a documentary like 20 years ago that showed how one adopted baby—in a nice suburban family, with a couple other perfectly normal kids—was a criminal at a young age. Like stealing-a-school-bus-at-age-nine criminal, and that was just one of many examples. They showed two family trees: his adopted and his biological, and highlighted people who had been arrested, convicted of crimes, etc. They used a few different colors, and sometimes colored in one person’s node with two or more colors. His adopted family had like one spot going back 3 generations. His biological family was a rainbow! Remember, he was adopted as a baby and raised with love, and the other kids were fine.

  Now what do we do with this kind of data? Be proactive about helping certain kids if they have certain genes. Give them safe outlets for their impulses, or what have you. Extra monitoring. I dunno.

  What would a Nazi do? Nothing. Nazis don’t care if people are evil. What are they going to do, eugenics themselves? They’re the ones with the most colorful family trees.

  Just some food for thought. I don’t think we should suppress science just because Nazis exist.

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