Comment on What happened to the flat earthers who demonstrated that the earth is round in the netfilx documentary ?

• Azzu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I guess then you start messing with the definition of dignity. I don’t think it’s very dignified to be restrained for one’s fucked up views.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I know this is radical to you, but even criminals retain rights, even if they’re imprisoned for their crimes. Even due process and right to legal defense is about preserving human dignity for all.

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    • Azzu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wow yes, this is so radical! Thanks for exposing me to this thought, I thought everyone taken in by the police is just thrown into a deep pit, without food, sanitation or anything really, and just forgotten about.

      I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.

      Obviously I was not talking about people not being allowed basic human necesseties or due process or anything like that.

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  • andrewta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    He doesn’t mean literally restrain line with chains or something. He means figuratively restrain

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    • Azzu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      lemm.ee/comment/6002206

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• Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re wrong.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Such deep argument, much ethics.

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    • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t waste time in futile arguments. I just call them as I see them.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Cleaely you’ve ascended to a higher plane of argument

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  • dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nah uh

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• InformalTrifle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are you serious? There’s a huge number of humans that deserve no dignity. Terrorists and paedophiles spring to mind but there are many many more.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, even terrorist and pedophiles deserve a minimum of human dignity. It’s not about their morals. It’s about mine and our collective societal moral principles. To deny another human being dignity, no matter how awful their actions might’ve been, says nothing about the other person’s character, but speaks volumes about the person advocating indignity towards others.

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    • InformalTrifle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok, then I have very different morals and character to you

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      • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I concur.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Think about this. The racist police officers who killed George Floyd had the exact same mindset that you do. They thought that they could treat him as less than human because he was a criminal. Fox news, yes, the MAGA channel, ran with a story that tried to justify his murder because he was a suspected criminal. How do you feel sharing moral values with them?

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    • InformalTrifle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s completely misrepresenting what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. Suspected of a crime, then it should be proven beyond doubt and then punished. Guilty of bombing people, abusing kids? Don’t deserve any dignity in my opinion

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      • mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even the worst people imaginable are still people. They think, they feel, they experience, they are sentient.

        The moment you begin to dehumanize people is the moment you’ve slipped past the point and when you become capable of truly horrific things.

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      • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh, OK. A bunch of prison deputies would be so happy to hear that you support their sexual abuse of immates.

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  • ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree there are people undeserving, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are inalienable rights inherent to all people. If the state is going to legitimately enforce the law it must respect those rights while doing so.

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