TIL hospitals aren’t real guys!
By default all humans should be treated with dignity unless they are causing direct harm to others. Flat Earthers are kind of an edge case because their anti science and evidence approach is tied in with the antivax movement so they are harming others indirectly.
MAGA idiots, racists, and other hate filled people do not deserve dignity. In amedical setting, sure, but not in the real world where they are causing harm.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No, al humans should be treated with dignity always. We should do all in our power to stop and restraint those causing or intending to cause harm to others. But no crime justifies cruelty or indignity.
Azzu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I guess then you start messing with the definition of dignity. I don’t think it’s very dignified to be restrained for one’s fucked up views.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I know this is radical to you, but even criminals retain rights, even if they’re imprisoned for their crimes. Even due process and right to legal defense is about preserving human dignity for all.
Azzu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Wow yes, this is so radical! Thanks for exposing me to this thought, I thought everyone taken in by the police is just thrown into a deep pit, without food, sanitation or anything really, and just forgotten about.
I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.
Obviously I was not talking about people not being allowed basic human necesseties or due process or anything like that.
andrewta@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He doesn’t mean literally restrain line with chains or something. He means figuratively restrain
Azzu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
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Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re wrong.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Such deep argument, much ethics.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t waste time in futile arguments. I just call them as I see them.
dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah uh
InformalTrifle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are you serious? There’s a huge number of humans that deserve no dignity. Terrorists and paedophiles spring to mind but there are many many more.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, even terrorist and pedophiles deserve a minimum of human dignity. It’s not about their morals. It’s about mine and our collective societal moral principles. To deny another human being dignity, no matter how awful their actions might’ve been, says nothing about the other person’s character, but speaks volumes about the person advocating indignity towards others.
InformalTrifle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ok, then I have very different morals and character to you
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Think about this. The racist police officers who killed George Floyd had the exact same mindset that you do. They thought that they could treat him as less than human because he was a criminal. Fox news, yes, the MAGA channel, ran with a story that tried to justify his murder because he was a suspected criminal. How do you feel sharing moral values with them?
InformalTrifle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s completely misrepresenting what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. Suspected of a crime, then it should be proven beyond doubt and then punished. Guilty of bombing people, abusing kids? Don’t deserve any dignity in my opinion
ultranaut@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree there are people undeserving, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are inalienable rights inherent to all people. If the state is going to legitimately enforce the law it must respect those rights while doing so.