Comment on Counter Strike 2 update wipes nearly $2 billion off skin market value by making fancy knives and gloves easier to get [Eurogamer]

• Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Missing all of the fun custom maps people made, like surf, gun game, glass, think there was some zombie game mode where Ts were Zombies

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  • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The Minigame maps in source days were crazy good!

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Those still exist. Use the community server browser instead of matchmaking.

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    • msage@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I tried looking for some surf stuff in csgo, but it was all basic.

      Back in 1.6 I played tons of surf maps, some very elaborate and massive, but in go all I could find was at best 10 seconds of basic waves.

      I miss those days…

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        My understanding is there’s currently a bug with surfing in CS2 where you’ll occasionally just stop when sliding on a curved surface. I don’t know if that’s been fixed, but I think surf is largely dead in CS2 because of it. You need to go to one of the older games if you want to do surf right now probably.

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Hmm… For surf, specifically, I am actually wondering if you can even set the proper cvar commands for the air control needed for it to work properly in the current iteration of CS… 🤔

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• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I am not saying I don’t understand there being a core competitive game that is meant to stay relatively unchanged like a sport… but CS2 doesn’t have destructible environments, it doesn’t have vehicles, it doesn’t have any innovation at all other than being more like a slot machine than the last Counter Strike which was basically the same as the Counter Strike before it.

  A game this big I expect to have a core competitive very minimal core that stays relatively unchanged yes, but I also expect a bunch of more fun and more varied and changing stuff surrounding it that most players actually engage in. No not skins and shit, it makes me want to vomit even looking up that stuff and how many results you get for how to “invest” in CS skins (eeeeewww wtf?) I mean actual different gameplay with novel experiences to sustain and compliment the competitive unchanging core….

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  • horse@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ignoring all the monetisation, which is basically a pipeline into gambling addiction for kids.

    Counter-Strike players largely don’t want major change. The reason people play it is because it hasn’t changed much in the last 30 years or so that it’s been a thing. I barely switch on my PC anymore these days, so my information is largely dated, but Valve does add things from time to time, besides skins: new guns and maps, minor alterations to the mechanics and ruleset, new game modes (most of which didn’t survive the transition to CS2 unfortunately), seasonal events, etc.

    Bigger changes like vehicles and destruction would turn the game into something else entirely and even if they were only available in a side mode, I reckon Valve has numbers showing that not enough people would care enough to actually play it (like the Battle Royal mode, which I’m still salty they removed).

    You could argue that Valve is doing the bare minimum to keep the game alive and generating revenue from the gambling mechanics and I’d probably agree, but also I don’t think the game needs to change at a faster pace.

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    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Bigger changes like vehicles and destruction would turn the game into something else entirely and even if they were only available in a side mode, I reckon Valve has numbers showing that not enough people would care enough to actually play it (like the Battle Royal mode, which I’m still salty they removed).

      This all falls prey to the self fulfilling prophecy of only listening to your toxic competitive though.

      Call Of Duty has a DIZZYING number of fun modes but it still has competitive Search & Destroy lobbies too, the only conflict here is in an actively hostile competitive scene treating any change even if it doesn’t effect the competitive modes as a threat to be dogpiled on.

      Ignoring all the monetisation, which is basically a pipeline into gambling addiction for kids.

      Also, I refuse to ignore this in any conversation about Counter Strike, it is fucked up.

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      • horse@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Also, I refuse to ignore this in any conversation about Counter Strike, it is fucked up.

        Honestly, that’s fair. Valve gets a lot of good will for making good games, but the fact that they happily allow Counter-Strike to enable what’s essentially a casino for kids has got to be one of the most scummy things in video game monetisation.

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  • Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    counter-strike at this point is pretty much it’s very own thing, if you change the game to much it won’t be counter-strike and a lot of people don’t play counter-strike to play a multiplayer shooter, they play it because its counter-strike, this makes it a pretty much ideal candidate to “just sell mtx with” and change the map pool a bit to keep the casual crowd happy.

    cs itself evolved for a long time without any input by valve at all, the same way chess or modern soccer evolved without drastic changes.

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    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You aren’t understanding my point, I specifically said I understand there being a competitive core that remains essentially unchanged.

      What I am saying that is not nearly enough, it is lazy, you don’t have to change the core game to add more aspects to it, more modes and more content that compliments the competitive core.

      cs itself evolved for a long time without any input by valve at all, the same way chess or modern soccer evolved without drastic changes.

      Yeah and I played a bunch of chess when I was younger and got bored because it was the only good board game anyone would play with me. I stopped playing board games period for a decade or so and it took modern board games including modern abstracts to get me into board games again. Does that mean I saw absolutely everything there was to chess and that it needs to be updated now? No, but I am very much in the majority of people in feeling that chess is kind of boring after awhile, and if it was the only option to play with chess pieces and a chess board I just wouldn’t own a chess set which is why I don’t own a chess set…

      I own Agricola, Concordia, Dominion, Spirit Island, Bonfire, 51st State and other complex modern strategy board games and enjoy them 1000x more than I ever would chess unless I was matched with someone precisely at my skill level.

      Also… people do use soccer balls for all kinds of silly stuff? Soccer is surrounded by a vibrant culture of games, interaction and play, just because the core sport is a rigid form doesn’t mean the entirety of the scene is rigid like that…

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      • Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        i understand your point, i just don’t agree with it. I don’t need Counter-Strike to change the sameway i don’t need a specific boardgame to change. the fact that counter-strike is pretty much unchaged for over 20 years is what allowed it to develop the depth it has as a competitive game, that’s what makes solid tactics and individual skill important because i can’t abuse a new poorly understood mechanic, that only exists for a month. CS core is so solid that we could even play the same unchaged maps for another 20 years and would gradually play them differently year over year. i know this, because we did.

        change for the sake of change is the biggest issue of live service games, if you ignore the stupid monetization schemes, sooner or later they all devolve into a barely recognizable mess.

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      • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        What I am saying that is not nearly enough, it is lazy, you don’t have to change the core game to add more aspects to it, more modes and more content that compliments the competitive core.

        I think you have no idea what you’re talking about. They’ve tried that multiple times. They made gun game when CSGO released and nobody cares about gungame. They made some other game mode as well, which I don’t even remember what it was called because nobody cared about that either. They made a 2 man competitive mode called wingman and that at least got some attention because that was competitive, but largely people stuck with the 5v5. They added danger zone, a CS take on battle royales, and nobody cares about that either. They even tried gradually bringing new maps into the competitive map pool by adding them to the casual playlist and nobody played them. Even now the last regular update (which was literally today) added the retakes gamemode back and I doubt the core audience cares.

        The reason you don’t see any other kind of content in CS is because the core audience doesn’t care about any other content. For the majority of the playerbase only the gamemode that exists is competitive and everything else is irrelevant. In fact the core audience is so anal about competitive game mode they start bitching when new maps get added. You’re complaining about something that isn’t even true because Valve does try different things, but you only hear about competitive, skins, boxes and other cosmetics because that’s all the core audience cares about.

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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    … CS2 doesn’t have destructible environments, it doesn’t have vehicles, it doesn’t have any innovation at all other than being more like a slot machine than the last Counter Strike which was basically the same as the Counter Strike before it.

    Honestly, I think that’s part of why it has lasted so long. None of what you listed are necessarily better. They’re just flashy. They would ruin the design of the game though. CS could have vehicles, and some custom maps did, but it doesn’t work to improve the game so it never became a part of the primary game.

    The need to always do something flashy and new I think is a reason why so many modern FPSs suck. They don’t understand their game and ruin it with features that don’t improve it.

    I say all this while my primary game for ~2 years is The Finals. It’s easily the most innovative shooter I’ve played in a decade or more. It has the best destruction I’ve seen in a game ever. However, they understood how it work with their game. They didn’t just do it to advertise it as a feature without it adding anything. It actively combines with the other parts of the game to make one cohesive thing.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The missing vehicles thing is a major one. Remember CS_Prodigy in 1.5/CS:S? Give the CTs back the APC.

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    • mctoasterson@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      “Blood on cs_siege” is still out there on YouTube to document the dangers of drunk APC driving.

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  • warm@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    CSGO was peak, before they added agent skins. Then competitive integrity was thrown out the window. CS2 actually downgraded a lot of the game, I'm still not sure it functions fully now.

    They butchered community servers and don't seem interested in supporting that scene the same as in the past. So there's no "fun" until they give it to us. The game is just for siphoning money, more than it has been in the past. The entire industry is like that and new consumers are accustomed to it, so it's never going to change.

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