Comment on Load bearing Tupperware

• naught101@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because hosting was more diverse before, so when shit happened it took out a couple of sites, not a quarter of the internet

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And? God forbid we touch grass for 6 hours a year.

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    • AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The outage also took down people’s banks, which stopped many of them from doing things like buying groceries 💀

      I don’t think saying it’s good for us “touching grass” is a good argument here when AWS hosts such a substantial portion of all online services.

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        How many banks didn’t work? Which ones? You have a source? Visa and MC were good all day here in the real world in the east coast.

        Sounds like you’re just trying to exaggerate around an edge case that frankly isn’t the end of the world even if it were common for 4 hours a year

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    • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      “Outages are a GOOD THING!” / FOX talking head

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Sure that’s what I said.

        Go ahead to rack space, or SAP, I’m sure you’ll have a much more reliable experience. Or just run your own. I’m sure it’ll be easy peasy and super reliable.

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    • lengau@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I touch grass every day. I want to do it on my own terms, not Amazon’s.

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      • MajinBlayze@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I keep some potted grass by my desk so I can touch it whenever I want

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    • undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah, when I can’t access my bank account the first thing I do is “touch grass.” 🥴

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yup, I’m sure your bank would never go down on another provider. Never.

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    • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Some of us have jobs. I mean I guess you have a job, but in your case losing network just means those pesky humans stop bothering you and go to a real therapist.

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m a staff engineer who has been dealing with the results of SLAs before Amazon was an idea.

        God forbid I have a p0 where I have to message a bunch of non technical directors it’s AWS not us. Much much worse than having to figure out and then pull in the team that pushed whatever untested shit made it’s way into production on a Friday afternoon.

        Unless you’ve been responsible for a SaaS with SLAs in a b2b setting; I know more about the consequences of a provider outage than you.

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• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No shit. I was DevOps at my last company and they were all in on AWS. In those 5 years we had one major outage. There was one other case of a particular service going down, forgot which one, but it mainly screwed DevOps and the db guys.

  You’re talking to a bunch of young people who hate Bezos and by extension AWS. They have no idea what the internet was like before.

  Personally I think the cost is outrageous, rather have my own hardware mirrored in geographically distant colos, but that doesn’t mean AWS isn’t amazing.

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  • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The problem is not that any outage occurred. This still happens often. Things just refuse to work sometimes. The issue is that SO MANY eggs were in ONE basket.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Eeehh, you’re literally suggesting that AWS added to the general stability and dependability of the internet in general

  You have NO idea what you’re talking about

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah rack space was killing it!

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    • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You understand that that has nothing to do with this? So there are shitty providers out there, find a good one that is not “just amazon”

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The centralization is an issue, but AWS is stable as hell. When I was first in IT, tech support, I had to explain to customers daily that, “No, your internet is fine, it’s just that particular website that’s down.”

    And the centralization wouldn’t be a thing if AWS didn’t route all IAM services through us-east-1. My Lightsail in us-west-1 was fine yesterday.

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    • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So your argument is that AWS centralization is good because Amazon is a good provider?

      You do understand that they’re are loads of providers out there that are perfectly stable, but that are not Amazon?

      I’ve never used it because I know how to manage a server, something you might want to expect from IT personnel that does development for companies, but there days let’s just ask Amazon todo it for us, we’re too lazy

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      • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Companies need hell of a lot more then virtual machines today. I dont use it personally either but would i recommend a company to buy their own hardware? No. I would say they should use AWS because they can afford it and it gives them access to hundreds of services. Its rare to see technical issues.

        The value for a company is actually enormous, to have something like that at their fingertips.

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• mitram2@lemmy.pt ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s pretty funny to argue in favour of centralised services in a decentralised platform

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I never argued that. I provided the reality of what they did. I’m sorry the reality doesn’t align with how you think things should be.

    You think everyone trying to make money is just stupid and has ignored some super reliable and cheap hosting because they want to gobble bezos cock? No, they solved challenging problems and made it a lot easier to stand up a reliable app.

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    • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Very unique take on how businesses make technical decisions. I’ve never heard of anyone describe the decision making process as logical before. Or even grounded in facts.

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      • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I know. Everyone making money and decisions are just idiots.

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    • mitram2@lemmy.pt ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I feel that you’re are very jaded over this subject, I truly felt it was a funny situation. No judgement from me

      Yes, AWS has a lot of advantages and I do believe they usually provide a reliable service, but as with all centralised services when they go down a bunch of other stuff go with them and that should be avoided. Doesn’t make all the incredible engineers currently working in AWS stupid

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• undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Once per year? I had outages much more often than that on AWS.

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah. I haven’t had a service we use miss an SLA or cost more than it’s SLO budget in 2 years.

    What specific services have they missed your SLA on and what incidents were they tied to? I understand that not every team has a guy on their team to monitor that that stuff and bitch for credits, but I do, and AWS is one of our most reliable vendors.

    Look the fact that AWS, Azure, and more recently Google are the only choices sucks.

    But the reality is most companies and projects don’t have the business case to justify multi region fail over much less vendor fail over. They are all built on single points of failures and will always have outages.

    Everyone just notices it more when it’s AWS. And that’s a stupid reason to base decisions off of. Visa/mc was working. Reddit and Facebook were mostly working once they started routing through their multi cloud nodes. Maybe you couldn’t get to your banks web app, that’s on them using a single cloud with no way to route to alternate cloud nodes and services. And for them to double at best infrastructure costs, unless they are boa Chase Morgan etc, is dumb for 99.99% which is the SLA .

    The world isn’t ending, emergency services are working, visa/mc failed over, I was still on Reddit and slack most of the day. It wasn’t the end of the world.

    Anyway, I now realize I have summoned my frustrations with this entire thread and gone wildly off topic and ranted with full force at you.

    I just don’t think it’s important that when there is a major outage on AWS/Azure/cloud flare. It was going to happen elsewhere, and you wouldn’t have an excuse to tell your pm not my problem, instead of digging into your app for 2 hours to find out x portion of you very distributed vendor list failed and you still have a single point of failure. I’d rather be able to point to AWS, say shit is fucked for everyone, and if you want multi cloud it’s going to cost at least 1.5x as much as we’re spending 🤷‍♂️.

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    • undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I haven’t used AWS in years. No IPv6 support in S3 in 2017 was the last straw for me. I have to deal with it at work (sometimes) and always laugh when they introduce “new” features like HTTPS records in Route53 like two years late.

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