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neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.

There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.

What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.

Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.

Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.

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TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?

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Jumbie@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.

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- GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.
  
  But you have sex with ONE HORSE…
  
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  - Jumbie@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Hello, Uncle Jack.
    
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NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.

Is there any evidence to the contrary?

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- neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
  
  That could change, but today this is true.
  
  Any evidence we have is circumstantial. Most of that circumstantial evidence points in the direction of an extreme right winger.
  
  I’m sure there’s some circumstantial evidence pointing in the opposite direction, but it pales in comparison to the circumstantial evidence pointing in the far right direction.
  
  Much of the circumstantial evidence pointing away from the far right came from a mis-attribution from the FBI to a trans rights marker that was debunked as categorically untrue. Or statements from the Utah Gov which are (AFAIK) not backed up by any actual evidence other than how he “wishes” it was. Or from Trump who is known for lying and making things up.
  
  I’d be curious what evidence they have that hasn’t been announced/released yet that makes them think that.
  
  I suspect they want it to be true that he was left leaning and they may be assigning too great a weight on the debunked FBI claims, the Utah Gov claims, and Trump’s claims; despite most of the circumstantial evidence that’s been released so far pointing in the direction of him being far right.
  
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  - GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Hi, I’m here to remind you that this is utterly delusional and even reddit mods are about to get real quiet how this “he was right wing” fabrication.
    
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  - Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
    
    From the texts between him and his roomate that have been publicly released. Source: theguardian.com/…/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecuto…
    
    “Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah.“’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
    
    So, we have his direct statement to his transwoman roommate as to his motive, either you can take that at face value or claim it’s some carefully crafted lie intentionally meant to deceive us as to his real motives. You do you.
    
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    TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    “He’s talking about hatred towards the Right, not the Left”
    
    -Lemmy communist attempting to cope
    
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jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.

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- Soup@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  A big reason why that’s important, as long as it’s done with care, is because conservatives rely on the rhetoric that purely white, conservative communities would be without crime. This kid grew up in a prime setting to show how amazing their way of life is without any “evil leftist” influences and yet here we are. The US has been given every opportunity to show how great theocratic conservative capitalism is and yet it keeps failing because the reality is that it fucking sucks rocks.
  
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  - jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    if he’s a leftist, then of course he had “evil leftist” influences. The internet exists.
    
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