Comment on Public transit in Chengdu, China versus Toronto, Canada

• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  America is no different. Try not paying your land tax.

  The only difference is that, in America, someone needs to shout “eminent domain!” first and slip you $500 for your house.

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  • deddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Isn’t this post about Canada?

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• rustydomino@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Look to public transit development in Taiwan as an example of how to do it right in a democratic nation. There are still loads of problems but the Taiwanese government can’t just take your land outright. Taipei especially has seen phenomenal growth in its metro development in the last 20 years.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The government of Taiwan is the Chinese government

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    • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just like how Pakistan administers Jammu & Kashmir and India administers AJK & Gilgit Baltistan, both of which are across the Line of Control in the opposite country’s border lol.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    LOL

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• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  China has stronger property laws than the US, look up stuck nail houses. If the US ants your property, they can eminent domain your shit. In China, developers have literally had to swerve highways around property or build shopping centers around that one person who wont sell

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  • jaschen306@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lies. My family had a factory in Wuxi, China. 2 buildings that were dedicated to dormitories. 4 buildings dedicated to manufacturing promotional products.

    We were able to lease the land for 50 years with a 50-year option at the end of the term.

    Around year 5, the government decided to turn the main dirt road into a proper road. They took back 1/4 of the land. They just used our area for staging.

    About a year after the road was made, they decided to expand the road. They took back now 1/2 of the original land and buildings.

    Less than a year after the expansion, they turned the 4 lane road i to a highway. They took the entire land back. My family invested millions of dollars in buildings and infrastructure. We got back pennies on the dollar spent on the investment on compensation.

    My family never fully recovered financially.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Huh, if the government has that power, why don’t they use it for stuck nail houses? I talked to a few people in shenzhen who made significant sums selling land to developers.

      Different type of ownership due to your family purchasing the land vs inheriting it? Different provinces?

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      • jaschen306@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t know. Wuxi is significantly smaller than Shenzhen. I think it was around 2 million people at that time.

        They didn’t give my parents much of an option. When they did finally take the land away, they did offer to relocate us to another location, but at that time, my family was already struggling from the 2nd loss, my parents just ended up closing the business all together.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m sure that’s the whole story.

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• gurnu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  And China has slave labor

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  • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mean so does the United States thanks to the 13th amendment but we don’t have anywhere near the same infrastructure to show for it

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    • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      American slave labor isn’t used for anything interesting - it’s just letting companies pay less for labor for their own benefit.

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      • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        And what do interesting things are the Uighurs are making that is so interesting?

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  • greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Proof or I don’t believe.

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• ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wait until you hear about the UK! I own the freehold to my land, but technically it’s gramted by the crown, so I could in theory at any moment have my home taken from me.

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wrong, the state owns the land but you can own the house, and not just for your 70y BS period.

  There are plenty of articles like of instances where homeowners don’t want to sell for infrastructure like this: twistedsifter.com/…/china-builds-highway-around-h…

  I know for a fact here in EU or the US they will indeed " just tells you to gtfo"

  BTW, in China a high 90% of people OWN their house and aren’t rentslaves.
  So there’s that China bad man.

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  • protist@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s hard to overstate how much safer and more ethical it is to use eminent domain and fairly compensate someone monetarily for their property than to leave their house in the middle of a highway

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s besides the point wether you think it’s better or not, it should be the OWNER’s decision as is the case in China.
      And not what this rustydomino is pulling out of his ass.

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      • protist@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No it’s not besides the point, it’s in direct response to your point. Leaving a house in the middle of the highway is a better outcome for no one

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m sure the developers offered “fair compensation”, you need to demand lot before fucking up the highway design is more economical.

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      • protist@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        In the US, the government provides compensation, not developers, and they pay fair market value as determined by local appraisal districts.

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