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interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 5 hours agoThe PFAS/PFOA controversy, is mostly about banning these commodity products so that the proprietary, non-commodity alternatives by western companies can become the only high temperature dry lubricant on sale.
Maybe in another 60 years we’ll have the same controversy about them !
Did you at some point read about how some of them, such as the ones used in frying pans, are unlikely to cause problems in the human body, and then completely stopped looking into it further?
It’s a massive group of compounds, some of which currently look to be quite safe, but a significant number of which also have fully verified dangers (especially some compounds required for production).
Yes, I read about it and the teflon on frying pan is explicitely NOT the problem. I understand that pointing to frying pans and saying “PTFE !!” is the attention grabbing thing to do. But there is no danger here.
The problem is the manufacturing plants leaking PFOA/PFAS into their surrounding environment !
Maybe lead with that, instead of the conspiracy angle.
That’s been well known for over 50 years, why do you think now, all of a sudden, this is becoming an issue now ? This is because there are new coatings, silicon based PTFE-free coatings and PTFE-based metamaterial that combine titanium, ceramic and/or PCD.
As the manufacturer invest in this new technology, they either restrict PTFE commodity manufacturers out of their market or merely stop funding lobbying that protects the PTFE.
This is not a conspiracy theory, simple emergent interests that do not require a coordination.
Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
No it isnt, its about the production precursors being literal poison for anything they get into with no chance of breaking down. Its a unusually harmful and persistive compound.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
And the current goal is to ban them all wcl.org.uk/transitioning-to-a-pfas-free-economy.a… Leaving us only able to buy the proprietary alternative of an oligopoly, instead of regulating the production of this commodity. End result, we pay for it all and get a degradation in quality.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Hey friend you know the chemicals they make those things from are like WILDLY carconogenic right? And that PFAs and their cousins last forever and don’t break down in the environment?
These chemicals are being banned because humans got too good at making super stable fuck-you-big molecules that just so happen to be wildly incompatible with anything that has DNA. These chemicals are literally everywhere with water treatment facilities having acceptable limits 2ppb or less. Yea, B, Billon. The thing with that amount though, is even THAT isn’t safe, its just regulable. Here’s an oversimplified video on the subject by Veritasium, the clickbait headline is just that. I believe this is also on nebula if you’d prefer to avoid youtube.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 25 minutes ago
They should stop dumping it in the rivers
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Dude it’s literally poison what do you want???
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
What’s the proprietary alternative?
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 15 minutes ago
some ptfe/ceramic/titanium/diamond metamatrial that tolerates way high temperatures, which you can use metal utensils on and is not as good as regular ptfe at stopping eggs from sticking to the pan.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 35 minutes ago
More PFAS, but with a secret formula so nobody has to worry