Comment on When does Trump finally start taking accountability?

• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think being totally against a convicted felon rapist who is actively dismantling the protections that have been in the Construction for centuries is totally within reason.

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• Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Trump is a bold, unapologetic fascist. You need to accept this fact, or it will kill you. He will never take responsibility because that is not how fascism works.

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• MisterOwl@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump.

  At this point you absolutely fucking can.

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  • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No, there are at least two other types:

    • The uninformed. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people in the US are completely uninformed about any of this. I’ll regularly see posts by people who I think of as more or less intelligent and aware of world events who will nonetheless be completely in the dark about what Trump is up to.

    • The propagandized. There are a ton of people for whom the anti-Democrat propaganda has worked, and who will “hold their nose” and vote against the person they’ve been told is a baby-killer or whatever. They don’t support Trump in everything he does, but they’d rather him than someone who wants to put political dissidents in a gulag. They don’t see the irony now, because the propaganda doesn’t tell them about CECOT.

    I also am fully willing to believe that there are others who aren’t against or for him, but they definitely aren’t particularly loud.

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    • K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      anti-Democrat propaganda

      Because Demcorats are immune to propaganda, right? BlueMAGA is no better at detecting propaganda as MAGA

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      • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don’t know where you get the idea that that’s what I was saying here. I was talking about Trump supporters, and I don’t think many of them are Democrats.

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  • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have to really, really dig for this one, but Trump’s attitude re: cannabis is that it should be up to the states to decide, and has also been quoted as supporting medical cannabis. I think overall, this is a good move, not as good as it being Federally legal would be, but a step in the right direction.

    It’s just the other 99.95% of the things that he does I don’t agree with. :)

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• Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories

  I am also disinterested in the entire human race.

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  • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t fall for the fallacy of binary thinking. A good way to oversimplify your opponents/enemies is to put them totally in another category from yourself. Life is rarely this simple. There’s a huge continuum of beliefs and behaviors that fall between these two belief systems.

    I recall my acquaintance being surprised that I wasn’t for “open borders” even though I voted for Biden. The idea that one could have a belief that is independent of Trump and Biden had not occurred to him.

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    • Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What’s 1 thing Trump has done that you agree with?

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      • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There are very, very few. I cited some cannabis policy above.

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• Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  …you think people totally against Trump need to be more open to changing their minds?

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  • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t see this happening, but let’s say he reverses course and renounces all his past decisions, steps down and the USA enters a new golden age. Should we be totally against that too? For any given position, I try to keep in mind what would have to happen to make me reverse that decision. If the answer is “nothing”, then I may be missing something, or maybe I am letting my personal prejudices get in the way of what could be a good outcome.

    It’s often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.

    I look at this similarly to how I view my atheism. If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I’d have to renounce my atheism. I don’t think that’s likely to happen, but if it did, I do have a condition where I would reverse my belief.

    Same thing with being anti-Trump. I am for now, but there are certain unlikely conditions that would make me reconsider that, should they occur.

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    • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.

      Condescending and insufferable: check.

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