Comment on Hytale, once touted as the Minecraft killer, is ceasing development

bacon_pdp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Mora@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It is such a superior experience compared to Minecraft.

  How so? It certainly cant compete in the mods category, can it? As far as I recall Minetest had multiple “Minecraft clones” each differing in completion and differing in support for further mods. Has that improved?

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  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The irony of these projects is that they only seem to appeal to people who don’t really like Minecraft, or used to like older versions but not recent ones. They have zero traction among active Minecraft players.

    I’ve tried most of them and honestly they don’t hold a candle to the original - not that they are bad games, but rather they entirely miss the point of modern Minecraft and why it is so appealling to so many people. Although (some vocal fraction of) the community likes to nitpick every single detail of every single update, it is an incredibly well designed game.

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    • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Minecraft

      Well designed

      Image

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      • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        it’s about the pixel-art and the cubes, am i right ?

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    • Elevator7009@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Curious what the point of modern Minecraft is, and what part is appealing to modern people. I pop on sometimes purely because friends are playing, and it can be fun.

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      • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I think what makes the game great is that it contains a number of game mechanics, which are all interlocked and play nice together. That gives it enormous versatility. You can be a nomad explorer, or a builder who stays at base and never sees a hostile mob. You can be a redstone engineer, or a farmer accumulating insane amounts of resources. You can create map art and barter with other map artists on the server. You can hunt bases and either grief them or contact their owners and get to know their history. You can play mini games on commercial servers or code your own mods and play PvA (player vs admin) on anarchy servers.

        You can find the exact combo and dosage that fits your playstyle, then switch gears a couple months later and turn the game on its head. I don’t know of many games with that kind of variety.

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  • bacon_pdp@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It can but it doesn’t need to. The out of the box experience is better and the mods can do more fundamental changes to the gameplay experience.

    Hence superior

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• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Never heard of either of these projects.

  Time is the only thing that will be a minecraft killer.

  40 years ago, Super mario bros was the most impressive most popular game ever. Now, today, it still exists, but would you even BEGIN to play Super Mario Wonder in the same catagory of pop culture influence as Super Mario Bros 3?

  There will come a day when minecrafts users become too old to care. But it won’t be because another game does it better.

  Improvements don’t kill a culture. Apathy kills culture. Minecraft is less of a game and more of an entry in pop culture.

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• Snazz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I tried Minetest a while ago and was never really able to get into it. The new player experience was rough, a lot of decision paralysis. The texture style can vary between mods and servers. It didn’t feel very cohesive. I don’t know if that has changed since I last played, but to me it didn’t feel like a minecraft killer then.

  From what I can tell, Hytale was supposed to be a bit like Terreria in 3D, as well as a platform for minigames. The gameplay and graphics from the trailers looked really good. I’m sure it would have been a Minecraft killer for some. (Ex. players who primarily play for the minigames like bedwars)

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• Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Vintagestory is my Minecraft killer, but it’s also get very different item/tech progression, so probably not perfect for many (former) Minecraft fans.

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  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is there a good overview of the progression somewhere? I vaguely remember buying it a while ago, but couldn’t really get into it.

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    • Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you know Terrafirmacraft it’s roughly that. Basically to even get to a point where you’re chopping down trees, there’s a few hours of gameplay trying to replicate fairly realistic early human technological progression. But it has a shockingly good late game with quests and dungeon and bosses. Due to the slower nature of the tech progression, and you being a relatively fragile creature in a shockingly cruel world, the game feels like it’s always going somewhere. There is always something you can be doing to prep in some way.

      It uses a lot of diagetic UIs and in world crafting which I love. Modding it is as easy as clicking the install button on the mod webpage and it launched the game and prompts the install. I do suggest using some mods, even on a first play through, because a lot of them are just things that make sense, and often get worked into the full game over time.

      A couple more game changing mods I’d suggest are rivers, wind, sailboats, and canoes. Basically anything that makes water a slightly more viable form of transport once you’ve got a bit of tech. The game has more or less accurate geology, so materials will only spawn in specific rock types, and those rock types only occur in specific areas due to tectonic plate interactions. This means you’ll often go on loooonnngg expeditions to find a particular material, and I find water transport to be a very balanced tool with rivers because you cannot sails of paddle up stream, but downstream is very fast. You can use this to you advantage in some way, while still forcing you to portage your gear at other times.

      Anyway, I love this game. Check you the comm for it! !vintagestory@lemmy.ca

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      • Elevator7009@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Is this a game where I could reasonably discover how to progress by myself, as an average adult human with no special knowledge of history or technological progression? Or will I need to resort to a wiki? I’m cool with either but curious

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      • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Thanks for the recommendation! I’m specifically looking for a text guide that outlines the tech progression - doesn’t have to be in-depth, just a rough “first get this kind of thing, then this one”.

        These kinds of games tend to be a bit opaque for me, having such a guide would allow me to read up on things when I can’t progress myself. Do you happen to know one?

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    • Gremour@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      There are videos on youtube that sum up main progression from stone to steel.

      There are also other topics to learn, like leather making (for backpacks), animals handling, bee keeping (if you want lanterns), windmill building (to automate iron processing and as prerequisite for steel), and many more.

      Survival hanbook (H key by default have a lot of info and guides on game mechanics). Otherwise, google videos on certain topics.

      It is fun to pass all these milestones and see how your small village grows.

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• Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Much as I’m sure it’s a quality entertaining game, with games as popular as Minecraft… the only thing that can kill it is collapsing under its own weight.

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• warmaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  How is it superior? Is it approachable for kids around 7yo?

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  • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nope

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  • bacon_pdp@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That would be a long list but here is something that everyone can notice in the first minute.

    It loads and you are actively playing in a world before Minecraft even finishes its loading screen (I have seen Minecraft get stuck on a sync with Microsoft screen for 30 minutes with no option to skip the sync or do anything else to actually start game play).

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• vala@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The Luanti community generally does not seem it as a “Minecraft killer” and doesn’t want it to be that. But it’s a cool project for sure.

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• Elevator7009@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Clicked on this thread purely to see if someone would bring up Minetest/Luanti. Glad to hear it seems to be going well.

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