Comment on What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?

zxqwas@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• iarigby@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  liberal politicians and liberal MSM frame it that way, because they have nothing else to offer but toxic culture wars.

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  • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Liberal politicians do it because it’s been pushed by the left. It’s how they keep leftists voting more centrally. They take left wing ideas, then water them down enough to appeal for centrist voters. Centrists find common sense ideas appealing, while those on the left get a dog whistle.

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    • iarigby@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I lean quite to the left and have rarely, if ever, heard many boogie-man talking points in this comment thread that people are obsessed over. And in terms of “centrists” equating patriarchy with men, for me it’s an intelligence/education issue, combined with refusal to have real life human contact with women, and, of course, choosing to blame literally the oppressed for all the harm that patriarchy causes them or their fellow men

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        combined with refusal to have real life human contact with women,

        It’s quite possible it’s the other way around on that one. I’ve certainly had periods of my life where I had to branch out pretty far in my social circle to meet women because the things I enjoyed doing are either solo activities or of little interest to women (at least around here). Some of that has gotten better in the last decade or so as nerdy shit has become more socially acceptable and ive built up a more diverse social network for myself but it was a rocky start and if I didn’t get lucky with the people I had around me it could have turned out much worse.

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• Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So we should lie?

  Men are the problem. The patriarchy, the racism, the discrimination? Men.

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  • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Men are the problem. The patriarchy, the racism, the discrimination? Men.

    Ultra rich men are the problem. We’re losing a class war.

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  • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can’t have a post like this and then wonder “Why do so many men go to the right?”

    Maybe men are sick of being painted with a broad brush. We all have our own thoughts, beliefs and feelings.

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    • iarigby@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “the group that lived through obscene levels of violence and abuse throughout dozens of centuries is incorrectly (that part is true) labeling all members of said group as abusers, let me join the group advocating for more abuse” - how the hell does one justify this unhinged statement is beyond me. I would like to clarify, I completely disagree with the comment you replied to, I think it’s deeply incorrect and unfair, in addition to ignorant, but that’s really not grounds forresorting to fascism and treating women as animals. Because if that justification of a minor uneducated subgroup being ignorant was honest, the extreme on the right are soo much more evil.

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  • zxqwas@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Troll grade: C-.

    Does Trump pay you by the hour or per post?

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    • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not payed, I just don’t see a reality where we can improve the world and not mention the hundreds of years of oppression by men at the same time, which, as you already said, will drive away the republicans. So you really gotta start thinking „should we ignore the obvious problem why woman are to this day fighting for human rights so we can find a compromise with Nazis?” and my answer is obviously no.

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      • zxqwas@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You should be paid because you’re basically campaigning for the republicans.You don’t drive away any core republican voter, they would never vote D. You drive away the ones who voted democrat last election.

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      • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re making an excellent point here. I’ll bring it up at the next Council of Men that we should stop oppressing women. Good thing we figured that out - top notch work!

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re conflating a lot of things here

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      … And shoot your buck!

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