Comment on What's the best way to respond to someone who says "transracial is just as valid as transgender"?

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Zenith@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Literally the only rational answer. Stop giving a fuck about what people look like unless you’re explicitly looking for someone to fuck

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• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is exactly why I think “transgender” does more harm than good and I’ll die on this hill. What’s the point? The people who are going to accept the way you express yourself aren’t going to care if it conforms to gender stereotypes, and the people who aren’t won’t suddenly change their minds if it does.

  All it does is reinforce the very same stereotypes that gave you gender dysphoria in the first place. It’s saying that gender norms are valid, you just got assigned the wrong ones. Live your truth, express yourself how you want, alter your body however you want, but don’t validate oppressive stereotypes in the process.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This reeks of, “I don’t see color,” which is bullshit racists say to justify ignoring the plights of people of color in the US.

  We need to see color if we ever want to possibly attempt to correct the deep, systemic problems we have with racism.

  Also US race concepts are kind of weird in general. I suppose the history of slavery and segregation did a number on people’s perception of race.

  There is no “did” here, it’s ongoing.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is absurd talk. I don’t want people generalizing me for my race or gender, and I wouldnt do it to someone else either.

    You must go around treating every minority as if they are a victim of something. I’m sure they greatly appreciate your refusal to see them as an individual.

    This race/gender anarchism would help trans people as the general public would stop giving a shit how people choose to behave and what they are interested in.

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  • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I get your point, but you’re missing the point of what the person is saying. They said that if no one cared about gender or race transgenders or transrace wouldn’t be an issue, it would be seen similarly to people who dye their hair or undergo plastic surgery to change something they don’t like on themselves, i.e. cosmetic changes that society in general doesn’t give a crap.

    If society treated race the same way we treat shoe sizes, i.e. they exist, we recognize them when it’s needed but understand that outside of picking a shoe you don’t care about it (there are no toilets for people who use size 6, or a special door that only people with size 7, and people certainly don’t require your shoe size in your CV and use that as a decision point as to whether they will hire you). IF we could get everyone to think like this, then we wouldn’t need to worry about the plights of any group because they would be in the past. That being said, this is not realistic because people are habit creatures, and if you grew up being taught to be racist and are never confronted about it you will keep those beliefs, that’s why it’s important to break stereotypes, that’s why affirmative actions are important, not because it helps the individual break through a societal barrier (although that’s important as well) but because they help society break from the preconceived notions that have engrained in most people’s minds through centuries of oppression.

    The ideal future is one where gender or race doesn’t matter, but the road there goes through recognizing the plights that each gender and race has to face and adjust society to compensate for them so they can live “similar” lives and that on the long run society walks towards a more diverse and inclusive group. It’s easy to have a prejudice against someone different from your “normal”, which is why it’s important to break “normal” views and extremely important to normalize taboo behavior.

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Do you mean there is slavery and segregation still going on on the us?

      This wasn’t the point I was making, but yes actually. Regardless of how you restrict your definitions, slavery still exists in the US under the thirteenth amendment as a form of punishment, and our prisons are full of them.

      And yes, segregated schools (and even things like “segregated proms” within supposedly-integrated schools) still exist.

      The study found that minority students became more isolated and less exposed to whites within a school although districts were statistically more integrated.[44] Another 2013 study found that segregation measures increased over the previous 25 years due to changing demographics.[29] The study did not find an increase in racial balance. Racial unequality remained stable.

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      A 2013 study corroborated these findings, showing that the relationship between residential and school segregation became stronger between 2000 and 2010. In 2000, segregation of black people in schools was lower than in their neighborhoods; by 2010, the two patterns of segregation were “nearly identical”.[46]

      en.wikipedia.org/…/School_segregation_in_the_Unit…

      And even still, they’re openly moving to bring it back more widely: cnn.com/…/louisiana-justice-department-desegregat…

      cnn.com/…/louisiana-justice-department-desegregat…

      That said, what I was referring to was the lingering effects that are very real, even if they are not immediately evident to an outside viewer. I could tell you’re not from here, because if you were, you’d understand what I’m talking about.

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