Comment on The future of warfare is now

• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The war stops when Russia, imperialist aggressor, stops.

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t get your hopes up

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    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      True. Because with the rate of Russian advance, it will take them decades to even fully occupy the oblasts they want to occupy. By then, Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.

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      • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That is expected to speedup though as headcount difference keeps getting skewed even more. At some point there just simply won’t be enough people to hold the line.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.

        Why would anyone believe this?

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Idk what makes you think his successor will be any different

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Highly doubtful.

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• LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is such a gross misinterpretation of my comment and my intent. I’m not really sure why you feel the need to grind this ax but there is no way what I said is actually the cause. My heart goes out to Ukrainian people, but my comment was intended to shit on Russia and talk about how sad it is that a country has become a rogue state with a horrible leader and a population that is not willing to say “no.”

  I can be sad for both countries. Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved. They do not deserve any of this. But just because I was talking about the impact on Russia does not mean I don’t care about Ukraine. And fuck you for implying otherwise.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.

    It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.

    FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals.

    Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.

    It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.

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    • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.

      What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.

      A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        One with zero Ukrainian casualties.

        Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.

        A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse

        “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.

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    • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Dude I am just teasing out exciting scenarios, not drawing up fucking battle plans and speaking with Zelenskyy personally.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)

        I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.

        Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.

        What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?

        To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.

        Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.

  What the fuck are you even talking about?

  There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.

  There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There are no “two countries butchering”.

    How many more hundreds of thousands of people have to die before the language sticks?

    There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour

    It’s two populations of conscripts being shoved together in a rain of artillery and a morass of land mines.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Russian troll alert.

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Lol right everyone who disagrees with you is a bot or troll, terminal patriot brainrot

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    • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ohhhhh you’re one of those people who thinks Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself. This makes way more sense now.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself

        Conscription Is Breaking Ukraine

        In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.

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• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you were to apply this same logic during various points during the world wars, you’d have been calling for the allies to surrender.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Imagine if people had listened at the start of WW1 and stopped the fighting before Germany, Russia, and France were in trench warfare melee.

    How awful would that have been?

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• real_squids@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  wow you’re such an empath

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Patriot brainrot

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