The war stops when Russia, imperialist aggressor, stops.
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoI mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re crazy if you think they ever were.
But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership.
But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Don’t get your hopes up
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True. Because with the rate of Russian advance, it will take them decades to even fully occupy the oblasts they want to occupy. By then, Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.
drathvedro@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That is expected to speedup though as headcount difference keeps getting skewed even more. At some point there just simply won’t be enough people to hold the line.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.
Why would anyone believe this?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Idk what makes you think his successor will be any different
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Highly doubtful.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There are no “two countries butchering”.
How many more hundreds of thousands of people have to die before the language sticks?
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour
It’s two populations of conscripts being shoved together in a rain of artillery and a morass of land mines.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Russian troll alert.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Lol right everyone who disagrees with you is a bot or troll, terminal patriot brainrot
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
[deleted]UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself
Conscription Is Breaking Ukraine
In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
If you were to apply this same logic during various points during the world wars, you’d have been calling for the allies to surrender.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Imagine if people had listened at the start of WW1 and stopped the fighting before Germany, Russia, and France were in trench warfare melee.
How awful would that have been?
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
wow you’re such an empath
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Patriot brainrot
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.
FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals.
It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
“Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.
Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.