Comment on Anon is a fighter

ZMoney@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That was essentially what I was going to comment.

  You punch a skull like that, you’re breaking knuckles. It happens vs other humans as it is, no way do you punch a gorilla in the face and do even the same amount of damage your hand takes. You’re sure as hell not knocking it out.

  As entertainment, the idea is awesome, because I can imagine this relatively small guy squaring up against a silverback, all confident and executing the footwork perfectly, throwing a right hook just as hard as he can, and then there’s a spray of blood from his hand, followed by the gorilla turning him into steak tartare in a minute or less.

  Has dude never been to a zoo that has gorillas? Back in my prime, I would have been a heavyweight, and I feel like a damn twig next to a gorilla, no matter how much height I have on one. And I’ve never been that close to one. Seeing them twelve feet away was intimidating as hell.

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  • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re fearsome in a fight, but even more admirably, they don’t take themselves that seriously

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HmuTqe9s88

    Worth it to watch even for the first couple minutes to hear the sound

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    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I haven’t watched the video yet, everyone is asleep and my headphones are in another room.

      But I love your user name, and felt you needed to know that immediately

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I love this guy’s content. Maybe because it’s related to nature in all its deadly splendour, but I often do a double-take on the ‘will kill you’ euphemisms.

      This guy needs to reboot Hinterland Who’s Who for Canada.

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    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And yes, very much worth watching!

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      • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        (～o￣3￣)～🍌

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• modeler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You see those fin-like bones that rise up from the skull? All of that is filled with the muscle that closes the jaw - technically the purpose of these bones is for the muscle to attach to. One bite will slice and crush anything of you that is in his mouth.

  Oh, and humans lack a type of fast-twitch muscle fibre that gorillas (and pretty much all non-human mammals) have. This makes their muscles a lot more powerful than ours, no matter what training you do. They will tire faster, but thats probably only during the stomp-on-your-bloody-remains part of the fight.

  Oh, and their reaction speed is also faster.

  Basically, you have zero chance going mano a mano with a gorilla.

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  • entwine413@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, human muscle density is very low, relatively. We have higher myostatin levels than other great apes, likely from developing tools for hunting.

    I bet an average chimp would absolutely destroy any top ranked fighter.

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    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IIRC the chimp thing is a bit overblown. I seem to remember that chimps are something like 1.3-1.5x stronger than humans per body mass. However male chimps weigh in at only around 40-70kg.

      These are average numbers, so assuming a top ranked fighter is significantly stronger per mass than the average human (my amateur experience suggests that a well trained man is around 1.3x as stronger than average per mass). Matching a top ranked heavyweight fighter (≈110 kg) to a higher-end chimp means the human is probably around (1.3 x 110 / 1.5 x 70) = 1.35 times stronger than the chimp.

      The top ranked fighter has a reach advantage, and while chimps are robust, I would almost call it absurd to suggest that a well landed kick from a top-ranked 110kg fighter would not injure a 70kg mammal.

      The chimp has the advantage of biting, but even in a ground-brawl, I have a hard time seeing a chimp with the strength of an average 105kg man standing much of a chance against a heavyweight MMA fighter, just by knowing how completely one-sided that fight would be between humans. I don’t think the bites of the chimp can overcome the large strength difference and massive technical difference (chimps are similar enough to humans that ordinary BJJ techniques can probably still be used). All this is assuming that the chimp is able to get within reach without catching a crippling strike first.

      Note that the above takes a higher end chimp vs. a top ranked fighter. Taking an average chimp and I definitely cannot see the chimp standing a chance. That would be like betting on an 85kg guy without fighting experience beating an MMA heavyweight. Even if the guy has a knife, he’ll probably be knocked out before even touching the fighter.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, and chimps are savages that go first for your balls or rip your arms off.

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  • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In prehistoric times the human hunting strategy was simply to follow an animal with a group of people until it tiers out, relying on superior endurance and cooperation skills. If it were possible for a human to simply defeat prime predators in one-on-one combat we would likely never have developed those skills in the first place. We are good at cooperating, precisely because we are so much weaker than gorillas.

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Honestly at this point i wanna convince them to try anyway. Let darwin sort them out

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• SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal_crest

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  • modeler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thank you! And here is the key text;

    The presence of this ridge of bone indicates that there are exceptionally strong jaw muscles. The sagittal crest serves primarily for attachment of the temporalis muscle, which is one of the main chewing muscles.

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