Comment on the internet is worse.

STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah I’m feeling less like a participant, and more like a consumer on the “greater internet” (five big), compared to the early days when corporate presence was minimal, and not remotely slick or subtle. It was like dorky and obvious, and didn’t seem remotely like a threat.

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  • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anywhere there is money there are charlatans

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  • HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Feeling like a consumer is a great way to put it. It especially feels more and more like it when trying to do even the most mundane tasks. Like if you own a product but need to ask a question on Google about it, first you have to scroll past the links to pages trying to sell you the product you typed in, then you might get some reddit links, 2-3 from a smaller forum, and then more links trying to sell you the product. It will say there’s thousands of results, but it’s just the same 6 links to purchase the product over and over again. So now even basic web searches are mainly for buying stuff.

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    • Fungah@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Search is broken. It’s been getting worse year over year and Google / Bing and all the various offshoots that are JUST GOOGLE AND BING (this isn’t a fucking secret, people. You can slap whatever algo you want over Google / bing and it’s still fucking Google and bing. And a jolly go duck duck fucK yourself to the lot of them).

      I pay $10/month for kagi. Its worth it.

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      • logi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Link to kagi? Or are you going to make us Google it?

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      • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve been using SearX for about a week, and so far it’s pretty decent.

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      • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sounds interesting. I’ll check it out. BTW I like how unhinged your comment is - you sound like a fun person who I wish I knew IRL

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    • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And then now that Alphabet owns YouTube, the first couple results are always monetized videos… It’s brutal.

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• RandomPancake@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I miss the day when you could search YouTube for something like “JFK skyclub” and actually get video of the Skyclub at JFK. Today you’ll get 15-minute videos that are 90% a guy talking about his thoughts on JFK, or Skyclub, or airlines, or whatever. If you’re really lucky, some of them may feature a few seconds of actual footage of Skyclub.

  It’s not just Skyclub or travel videos. If I search for “repair mr coffee” I want to see a howto, not someone’s SEO-optimized long winded lecture about whatever coffeemakers they’re selling.

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  • tdawg@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So the weird thing is you can still do this but only if YouTube thinks your the right audience for it. My grandfather looks up all kinds of old things on YouTube and almost always get exactly what he wants on the first hit. However if I do it it ends up more like your example. Interesting and annoying at the same time

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    • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sounds like it would actually make sense to have a handful of different accounts, each account optimized (through search/watch history or something) for a specific type of content you want to search for.

      Otherwise, 3rd-party search engines are often better than YouTubes own search for finding obscure/rare/unpopular/unlisted/demonetized videos.

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  • Sarcastik@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Don’t forget to hit the bell and smash that like and subscribe button!”

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  • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes but it is also way bigger then it was. The amount of data that YouTube has now is just insane. I wonder when they’ll start culling old videos.

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    • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think they already began removing old, inactive channels some time ago…

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• Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But we act like youtube is something more then just a place to post videos. We can build a new youtube tomorrow if people weren’t so invested in it. If you have some content on YouTube you just can’t live without fine but for everything else let’s migrate… sorry, got a little preachy.

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  • Sestren@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, that’s completely untrue… The reason we can’t just create a new youtube is the same reason there aren’t more ISPs. The infrastructure cost is too high.

    You can’t just build a site that allows video uploads and playback, throw it on a Pi and release it to the world. You need scalability, and that costs money.

    Maybe the end solution is a distributed system, but that’s not something you can easily sell to the average Joe that doesn’t give a shit about the “how” or “why” with Youtube, and simply wants to watch videos.

    I’m not saying that Google isn’t the scum of the earth, but there is currently no feasible way to recreate what they’ve made/bought without an absolutely stupid amount of money.

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    • Chee_Koala@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      YouTube itself is bound to implode because of the cost of all that infrastructure… sheesh. I recently reduced my YT time to the bare minimum, after being screwed out of premium (light), and found out about Peertube. It’s pretty bare bones, but viral videos can use P2P to offload the main server, which I thought was smart and fair. So, federated YouTube can be done I think. It won’t be easy though, or cheap.

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    • Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If that’s what you really think, that’s fine

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      • SaltySalamander@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It's objective fact.

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  • amio@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We can build a new youtube tomorrow

    Unfortunately not. The cost would be astronomical. Youtube bled money like a stuck pig for a long time, and their monetization has turned out predictably awful, every time.

    Don't get me wrong, the competition would be great, or at least having the option of something... less Youtube. There's a reason you don't see a lot of alternatives around, though, and certainly nothing at the same kind of scale.

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  • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I get your heart’s in the right place. But good luck finding investors to pay for the massive infrastructure costs to back your YouTube alternative (read competitor) without a plan to extract money from someone. Not even to break even, but to turn a profit.

    It would be nice if there was public money to create these alternatives - that was m way you wouldn’t have to worry about profit, just whether your solution is meeting the public need.

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  • AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know how much it costs to run or how ads fully function on the service, but we do have Odysee. I have yet to have seen a single ad from my collection in the app outside of creators whose vid that’s also up on yt having a sponsored segment.

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  • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That said I’m with you. I try to avoid YouTube whenever I can. Wish more people would do the same

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