The comics sucked, the show is a big improvement
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southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Honestly, it outstayed it’s welcome in the final episode of the first season for me.
I don’t know sense the fuck the producers have against the story, but fucking or off that far was a waste. They could have just made up their own show and not wasted the money getting the title from Ennis, if they were going to fuck with the core motivation of a central character like that.
kandoh@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Eh, I’m not talking about the quality of the show or comics.
Ennis is pretty well known for having neat ideas and then pissing all over them with hack dialogue and over doing shock scenes. So it wouldn’t be hard at all to improve that kind of stuff. And the show had incredible production value, with vastly improved dialogue overall.
But one of the things that way too many adaptations get wrong is fucking with the characters. Butcher, his whole story is his drive to fuck every super in the ass (metaphorically) because of what happened to his wife.
Then, they undid that entire idea at the end of the first season, but kept trying to make Butcher the same guy, with the same behaviors. That’s a complete failure to make use of the best parts of what Ennis wrote. The characters, and the core ideas, that’s what Ennis is good at.
They had already kinda shifted Huey a good bit via making him american, but they kept his motivation, the core of him. Then they just said “fuck it” and basically mangled Butcher’s entire arc.
Like, why bother paying for the rights if you’re not going to use the good parts of it?
Same thing happened with Preacher. They dumped a ton of money and time into making a slick, well crafted show, but completely undid the characters motivations and personalities in a single scene.
Ennis may be a hack, but fuck, just do something original if you aren’t going to really adapt what matters most.
Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Devil’s advocate: it’s a good thing to change things up a bit in an adaptation, both to keep old fans on their toes and maybe come up with new ideas and interpretations.
I had a similar reaction to the s1 ending but I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have some idea of how to work with this.
My big issue came a bit later, when they had Homelander kill Stillwell. To me the main point of the comics was that all the capes were ultimately a non-issue, a theatre. Stilwell was THE most dangerous, evil and scary character, personifying Vogue.
And they replaced him (her, I guess) basically with some comic relief idiots afterwards.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m actually okay with changes, when they don’t mess up the “spirit” of the characters, and don’t totally blow apart a plot
But, yeah, Stillwell, that’s such a horrible choice to kill him off at all, much less that way. I had quit watching, but you pick up bits and pieces anyway, and hearing that had made me glad I had already stopped
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man I read those Comics they were garbage. Even pretending that the characters had depth to them in the comics is absurd. The show added so much more depth and interesting aspects to the characters than those stupid Comics did. They were legit bad. The only good part in the comic was the overall world. The show added everything that’s special about the concept.
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think they are suggesting Butcher had depth. Just that they think the core of the characters and what made them interesting was changed needlessly.
By the way, I also loved the show Preacher and I’m glad they changed it from the comics. But I also understand being upset by it. Sometimes I want adaptations to get the core of the characters right and sometimes I’m totally fine with a more inspired interpretation of a story that I like.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Which is not the point.
The point is that they wasted money on the source material when they could have just done their own thing instead.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
lemmy is unusually respectful of differing opinions
Are we talking about the same lemmy?
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah. On average, I usually run into a lot less snark and douchebaggery over differing opinions. When it does pop up it’s usually over hot button issues where you expect heated responses.
Tbh, even the initial few bad responses here weren’t as bad as what I’d see on reddit, but it was just really shocking, especially over a tv show.
I’m used to having disagreements be respectful and thoughtful most of the time, and not just be dismissive. Not that it’s always like that, I’m guilty of going too far on some things myself. I just have way more disagreements end with a friendly note.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
It’s ok to not like a tv show. You don’t have to explain yourself to anybody.
dukepontus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its ok not to agree with a comment, you dont have to share your opinion.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Let me get this straight. You’re upset because it’s ok to not lile a tv show?
Interesting response.
PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Good luck with that aneurysm lol, hope it clears itself up