Well, the first bullshit here is the word “purely”. That’s not correct. While they indeed have a mainly vegan diet, also opportunistically consume insects and even small mammels.
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Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
remon@ani.social 6 months ago
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
Please fact check before posting, this is scientificaly inaccurate. Yeah they might eat a bug or two, but gorillas normally don’t eat other mammals.
remon@ani.social 6 months ago
Please fact check before posting
That’s literally what I just did with this comment.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
Your source:
In addition to consuming a lot of plant matter, gorillas occasionally consume insects. Gorillas are not considered carnivores in the wild, despite the fact that they may consume meat when it is served to them in zoos. Although officially omnivores, gorillas primarily consume plants, including leaves, stems, bark, flowers, and fruits. They occasionally consume tiny vertebrates and insects as well.
If all of humanity started to “occasionally consume tiny vertebrates and insects” while “primarily consuming plants” by tomorrow we’d be way better off. Do you agree?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Would it be to say its a herbivore rather than vegan?
Then again, pretty sure most vegans end up eating a few bugs. Would a gorilla choose to eat mouse if presented with one?
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
Yeah, this is just a vegan meme. Gorillas sometimes eat a bug or two, and they have been seen eating small animals, but it’s not their usual diet. Look it up, they eat up to 30 kg of plant stuff a day. That’s petty impressive.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Preach. This is why every Mr. Olympia is filled to the brim, just like non-vegan dudes’ wives, with vegans. Boom. Nothing but power and rightness and winning. Bigger, stinger, smarter, righter, and better at internet discourse.
#micdrop
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The bit about non-vegans wives fucking sent me, little fucked we (people) joke about adultury as an own tho
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Where with all the animals if all went vegan now?
Why are the vegans sounding more like cavemen than the meat-eaters?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
The human brain is fueled by about 20% of your caloric intake. We’re evolved to be omnivorous. This isn’t prescriptive but descriptive. It’s going to take development to make vegan food delicious and something we want to eat (and then all the other features we want out of food: cheap, storage-safe, easy to prepare, etc.
For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables. Otherwise, we’re used to receiving oddly-spiced bland much from our vegan friends. But we could do better if we were putting billions into it, and not the more-addictive cheeto.
But we live entrenched in capitalism, so no one is going to take this seriously until we’re already dropping dead from natural disasters and famine.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
Wow, I asked for the bullshit and you seriously delivered! Not sure if I should take the time to reply to this, because would my effort change anything?
Everything you eat is vegan, except for the animal tissue, all milk-stuff and eggs. We don’t need capitalism to invent us vegan food, we fight it by eating fruits, nuts, legumes and vegetables, like we always did. It’s great for your body and for the planet as well!
Dogs are omnivores, pigs are, too. They eat a rotting squirrel if the feel like it, we die if our bleach-cleaned chicken isn’t in the freezer for half a day.
Damn, I just started replying.
agavaa@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No idea what you are talking about. I’m not even vegan, but I can make a delicious vegan meal without even trying. All my vegan friends make very tasty food, too. No need for billions.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I have no question that everyone across the industrialized world would gladly switch to your delicious recipes.
Maybe you should start a business!
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
This is a joke, right? Have you ever tried pasta? Rice? Fruit?
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 months ago
Well …
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Oreos are famously vegan. There’s some dispute about the ethics of buying products with palm oil, and some sugar suppliers might use bone char to filter sugar, but the ingredients don’t necessarily include any animal products
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
In light of the west’s heavily animal-centric diets resulting in most of the top causes of death in these places, it’s not exactly accurate to call us omnivores. The centered on whole plant foods our diets are, the better off we are. Animal flesh, dairy, and eggs, at the very least, cannot be consumed without increasing progression and risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes (Ignoring a host of other harmful effects like cancer and autoimmune disorders, which is more contentious).
It would be more accurate to say that we are primarily herbivores, but with an incomplete and dangerous emergency system for omnivory.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Let’s put it this way, our bodies really like the smell, taste and mouthfeel of meat. So long as our system is focused on compelling people to eat via yummy food, there’s going to be a market for it. It’s not prescription, just description.
That’s why I was saying we’ll have to overcome capitalism before we can really beat this. Otherwise actual balanced nutrition will be a < checks spelling > commodifiable feature of food, rather than its essential point.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Estimates have it that in the industrial world, somewhere between 1-5% of people are vegan. That remaining the same until your preferred revolution happens, and your idealized form of governance becomes the reality everywhere: how is your socioeconomic system going to get the remaining 95% of billions of people to stop consuming, committing cruelty to, and exploiting animals? Sorry, but we have to do whatever we can in the here and now, and there is urgency in time. It’s not only a matter of morality. We know that our wanton animal consumption is one of the largest drivers of climate change. We know that our society’s addiction to flesh and secretions have resulted in agricultural systems that not only resulted in one recent pandemic, but we are hanging on the edge of an even worse flu pandemic that can end up happening at any time. 75% of new infectious diseases have a zoonotic origin.
In a world where ideal society has never happened and is always a dream away, we do not have the luxury of an either/or approach of fixing one problem before we think about the next.
The toxic food environment is a reality, and that needs to be fixed in policy. But individual choice matters too, because what we choose to buy is what drives what is sold. Taste is dynamic and subjective. New diets are only temporarily less satisfying until the person develops the knowledge, cooking skills, and palate to start getting more satisfaction out of their foods. Even better, the difference in the way people feel when they adopt a whole-food plant-based diet for even as little as a couple of weeks, is a start contrast to the standard western diet. Experiencing the difference first-hand generates more motivation to continue.
Also, our bodies do not inherently like the smell, taste, and mouthfeel of animal flesh. That is a learned habit. When a person goes long enough without consuming flesh, the very smell of it changes - even the freshest meats smell rotten, and the people who eat these foods smell like rotting corpses.
noxypaws@pawb.social 6 months ago
chop brussels sprouts in half, toss with avocado oil with some salt and pepper, and air fry for 15-20 mins. toss some balsamic on em after they’re done.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Which is delicious! There are a number of things that are edible. But let me clarify…
In most of the households I lived in with others, I just needed to wait less than a month before the women around wanted flesh and blood. Neither spinach (which has the iron they crave) nor tofu (high protein) cut it.
And in the public, the mere smell of fast food burgers keeps them coming in. As long as dead animal flesh can be sold, it will be, and we don’t regulate it. (Yes, in India, cows are sacred, but chickens and goats certainly are not)
There are plenty of individual dishes that are fine. But if you want well rounded nutrition, eventually you’re going to be resorting to the few high-protein things that are either uninteresting or a bitch to prepare.
Now mind you, my kitchen savvy is limited. I’m learning, but slowly.
noxypaws@pawb.social 6 months ago
Feels like the goalposts just moved.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That explains most of shit vegans spread.