Comment on Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

Teppichbrand@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well, the first bullshit here is the word “purely”. That’s not correct. While they indeed have a mainly vegan diet, also opportunistically consume insects and even small mammels.

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  • Teppichbrand@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Please fact check before posting, this is scientificaly inaccurate. Yeah they might eat a bug or two, but gorillas normally don’t eat other mammals.

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Please fact check before posting

      That’s literally what I just did with this comment.

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      • Teppichbrand@feddit.org ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Your source:

        In addition to consuming a lot of plant matter, gorillas occasionally consume insects. Gorillas are not considered carnivores in the wild, despite the fact that they may consume meat when it is served to them in zoos. Although officially omnivores, gorillas primarily consume plants, including leaves, stems, bark, flowers, and fruits. They occasionally consume tiny vertebrates and insects as well.

        If all of humanity started to “occasionally consume tiny vertebrates and insects” while “primarily consuming plants” by tomorrow we’d be way better off. Do you agree?

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The human brain is fueled by about 20% of your caloric intake. We’re evolved to be omnivorous. This isn’t prescriptive but descriptive. It’s going to take development to make vegan food delicious and something we want to eat (and then all the other features we want out of food: cheap, storage-safe, easy to prepare, etc.

  For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables. Otherwise, we’re used to receiving oddly-spiced bland much from our vegan friends. But we could do better if we were putting billions into it, and not the more-addictive cheeto.

  But we live entrenched in capitalism, so no one is going to take this seriously until we’re already dropping dead from natural disasters and famine.

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The human brain is fueled by about 20% of your caloric intake.

    That explains most of shit vegans spread.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables.

    This is a joke, right? Have you ever tried pasta? Rice? Fruit?

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    • IzzyJ@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oreos are famously vegan. There’s some dispute about the ethics of buying products with palm oil, and some sugar suppliers might use bone char to filter sugar, but the ingredients don’t necessarily include any animal products

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      • Teppichbrand@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Well …

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  • Teppichbrand@feddit.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wow, I asked for the bullshit and you seriously delivered! Not sure if I should take the time to reply to this, because would my effort change anything?
    Everything you eat is vegan, except for the animal tissue, all milk-stuff and eggs. We don’t need capitalism to invent us vegan food, we fight it by eating fruits, nuts, legumes and vegetables, like we always did. It’s great for your body and for the planet as well!
    Dogs are omnivores, pigs are, too. They eat a rotting squirrel if the feel like it, we die if our bleach-cleaned chicken isn’t in the freezer for half a day.
    Damn, I just started replying.

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  • agavaa@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No idea what you are talking about. I’m not even vegan, but I can make a delicious vegan meal without even trying. All my vegan friends make very tasty food, too. No need for billions.

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    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have no question that everyone across the industrialized world would gladly switch to your delicious recipes.

      Maybe you should start a business!

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  • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In light of the west’s heavily animal-centric diets resulting in most of the top causes of death in these places, it’s not exactly accurate to call us omnivores. The centered on whole plant foods our diets are, the better off we are. Animal flesh, dairy, and eggs, at the very least, cannot be consumed without increasing progression and risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes (Ignoring a host of other harmful effects like cancer and autoimmune disorders, which is more contentious).

    It would be more accurate to say that we are primarily herbivores, but with an incomplete and dangerous emergency system for omnivory.

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    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Let’s put it this way, our bodies really like the smell, taste and mouthfeel of meat. So long as our system is focused on compelling people to eat via yummy food, there’s going to be a market for it. It’s not prescription, just description.

      That’s why I was saying we’ll have to overcome capitalism before we can really beat this. Otherwise actual balanced nutrition will be a < checks spelling > commodifiable feature of food, rather than its essential point.

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      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Estimates have it that in the industrial world, somewhere between 1-5% of people are vegan. That remaining the same until your preferred revolution happens, and your idealized form of governance becomes the reality everywhere: how is your socioeconomic system going to get the remaining 95% of billions of people to stop consuming, committing cruelty to, and exploiting animals? Sorry, but we have to do whatever we can in the here and now, and there is urgency in time. It’s not only a matter of morality. We know that our wanton animal consumption is one of the largest drivers of climate change. We know that our society’s addiction to flesh and secretions have resulted in agricultural systems that not only resulted in one recent pandemic, but we are hanging on the edge of an even worse flu pandemic that can end up happening at any time. 75% of new infectious diseases have a zoonotic origin.

        In a world where ideal society has never happened and is always a dream away, we do not have the luxury of an either/or approach of fixing one problem before we think about the next.

        The toxic food environment is a reality, and that needs to be fixed in policy. But individual choice matters too, because what we choose to buy is what drives what is sold. Taste is dynamic and subjective. New diets are only temporarily less satisfying until the person develops the knowledge, cooking skills, and palate to start getting more satisfaction out of their foods. Even better, the difference in the way people feel when they adopt a whole-food plant-based diet for even as little as a couple of weeks, is a start contrast to the standard western diet. Experiencing the difference first-hand generates more motivation to continue.

        Also, our bodies do not inherently like the smell, taste, and mouthfeel of animal flesh. That is a learned habit. When a person goes long enough without consuming flesh, the very smell of it changes - even the freshest meats smell rotten, and the people who eat these foods smell like rotting corpses.

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• dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Preach. This is why every Mr. Olympia is filled to the brim, just like non-vegan dudes’ wives, with vegans. Boom. Nothing but power and rightness and winning. Bigger, stinger, smarter, righter, and better at internet discourse.

  #micdrop

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  • IzzyJ@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The bit about non-vegans wives fucking sent me, little fucked we (people) joke about adultury as an own tho

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• damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Where with all the animals if all went vegan now?

  Why are the vegans sounding more like cavemen than the meat-eaters?

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