Comment on The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's gonna be handled are already in the works

inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.

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  • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.

    That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.

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    • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wait, why would Canada retaliate against y’all for seceding?

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      • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0 in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.

        I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.

        Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.

        I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.

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• adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation’s constitution conflicts and takes precedence.

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  • massacre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not really true. States can’t infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding…

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought that if something is federally illegal you can still be arrested for it by the federal government. Like a DEA agent could arrest people in CO for having weed-- it just means that state law enforcement won’t arrest you.

      So theoretically they could outlaw abortion and create a federal bureau of agents to enforce it.

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  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Right we were just hoping for the two braincells to fire and them realizing that it was never about states rights

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cognitive dissonance doesn’t work on those people

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    • Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s about states rights to control other states.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In this case there’s a Supreme Court decision that this issue should be left up to the states. Sure key they won’t reverse themselves so soon, right?

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  • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Guess we’re seceding.

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• Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As if you’ll do anything. You’ll roll over like the rest of em.

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  • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As opposed to you?

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  • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most heavily armed state in the country. Fuck around find out.

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    • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So what? Your freedoms have been steadily slipping away for decades. Your opportunity to stand up and DO something is quickly coming to an end. You’ve had plenty of time and opportunity but it’s just crickets.

      No. When push comes to shove you’ll sit there quietly.

      It might feel good to sit here and cosplay telling yourself you’re a big bad ass that will save us all. Yet you sit there instead.

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      • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I initially worked with the democrats believing they were genuine. They’re frauds. They’re a waste of time. All we have left is union organizing and violence.

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