Or literally any other distro.
Pop is probably much easier to be up and running vs. Bazzite.
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4am@lemm.ee 5 months agoMy man, have you heard of Bazzite?
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
the_artic_one@programming.dev 5 months ago
What makes Bazzite difficult to get up and running for you? I just installed it for the first time and didn’t need to do anything else to get up and running.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
The fact that it’s immutable isn’t necessarily good for people new to Linux. If something does go wrong, or the user wants to change something significant, most of what they read online about how to do that will not work like many other distros.
For experienced users, sure, there probably isn’t much difference.
the_artic_one@programming.dev 5 months ago
Thanks for responding, I can definitely see your point that it wouldn’t be the best for some new Linux users.
However, speaking from my perspective as a new Linux user: all I wanted was an OS that I could use to play my steam library with little fuss and Bazzite delivered exactly what I wanted. I have no desire to make big changes and everything went perfectly fine. Steam and Firefox were already installed, the only other thing I needed was Discord which was easy to find in the appstore-like GUI.
Bazzite is definitely something I would recommend to new Linux users who are like me, folks who never bothered with Linux before the steam deck proved Linux gaming was viable without needing to learn Linux. There’s literally nothing I want to do with my PC that didn’t work out of the box.
kadup@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Yes but people seem to really want a SteamOS like experience on their desktop. Thats what Bazzite provides.
I dont think steamOS is a good desktop experience but if that makes people feel safe enough to try linux then I think Bazzite does a 100x better job than SteamOS.
If they want an actual desktop that can game and do everyything then they should try Fedora with KDE.
mudmaniac@lemmy.world 5 months ago
For a desktop PC I’m trying Endeavour OS. Feels quite good.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Endeavour is great as well. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it.
Anivia@feddit.org 5 months ago
But SteamOS is also immutable 🤔
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 months ago
I can attest to this. I daily drive bazzite exclusively now.
Rocket league specifically only uses 40% of the GPU and 25% CPU and refuses to use any more at all. It is only a bazzite problem. Other distros are completely fine and other bazzite users have reported the same thing, regardless of settings, launch options, etc…
It is hell when trying to do embedded firmware development. Pretty much everything has to be done through distrobox related to it because JLink needs to be accessible by NRF connect which has to be accessible by VSCode, etc… vscode and oss versions simply don’t work if you have to install more than the very basic UI extensions.
Plus then you have udev rules that you have to manually place in the read only file system (recommended by a Bazzite maintainer on their discord) which they explicitly tell you never to do in the docs. There is absolutely nothing regarding JLink (the most widely used industry flashing tool for ARM) in any universalblue docs, even the bluefin and aurora versions “for developers”.
Also, there is absolutely no known way to handle eID credentials, crypto keys, etc in order to digitally sign documents. Also key management and access simply does not work at all in flatpak.
Network scanning simply doesn’t work at all (yes, saned is set up). It is simply completely nonfunctional.
Outside of those cases though, it works fine. Themes work, font installation works as expected, KiCAD, freeCAD work, browsers, media players, etc… All work fine. Distrobox, while start menu applications via distrobox sometimes simply don’t start, they often work fine. However, I haven’t had to worry about updating my system in 4 months because updates are in the background and completely seamless and not a single thing breaks during updates which by itself is the reason I switched from arch.
(Arch never became unbootable or seriously broken, but I would have update problems and have to search for forum solutions to make a full update work every month or two)
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Why are you still using it if you’re having this many issues? Is it just because you don’t want to go through the hassle of a reinstall at the moment or are there features that you don’t want to go without?
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 months ago
I’ll be honest. It was a hell of a time getting things working correctly due to the lack of documentation, but now I have everything except scanning and document signing working. (Rocket league runs fine, just with half the fps I should be getting) I literally don’t have to touch anything anymore, it will just keep itself updated and working completely hands-off. That is what I want out of a system now that tweaking and debugging is a distraction from my other hobbies rather than a hobby itself.
The biggest feature that I like is Linux without having any manual update intervention at all. It all just runs and updates itself and works.
If something goes wrong in my software, I can uninstall and reinstall the flatpak delete remaining files, and reinstall with 3 clicks instead of having to search for where the hell this specific program decided to stash its files and configs and cache on my system like I had to with a traditional system.
hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
I’m a daily driver of Bazzite and Bluefin. I felt this way initially but it’s been generally painless. I typically check flatpak -> app image -> homebrew -> distrobox when I need something. If that fails, I use rpm-ostree and reboot.
I work in development/devops/infosec by trade and to date there hasn’t been a single package or program that I needed that I couldn’t get running with minimal fuss. I’ve even run a couple of MDM packages that my work requires.
tehmics@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m not shy about Linux but my eyes glazed over reading that flow chart. Don’t pretend this is okay for typical users switching from Windows
hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
k.
whostosay@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If they went through this, they wouldn’t.
I’ve also been able to find 99% of what I need through discover.
docs.fedoraproject.org/…/installing-from-source/
kadup@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
if you need specific drivers that arent in a generic kernel you’re already out of everyday user territory even on a normal distro.
whostosay@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s why we got dem tar and dnf
A_Porcupine@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Honestly, even for a living room PC it’s a pain. My living room machine uses Corsair fan controllers, so I had to battle to get OpenLinkHub installed, and a realtek 2.5gbe card, which I attempted to get working and gave up (kernel src package does not match the kernel for some reason). Not overly fun.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 5 months ago
I with you. Love Bazzite in the living room, but no way would it be my daily driver.
Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub 5 months ago
I don’t really like immutable but isn’t that what rpm-ostree is for?