Vote manipulation by rodneyck@lemmy.world

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨gofsckyourself@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨support@lemmy.world⁩

It has become apparent that @rodneyck@lemmy.world has been manipulating votes by voting with multiple accounts on other instances.

At the very least, on this post they have upvoted it using multiple accounts with the same username on different instances, as well as multiple votes in the comments of that post. It’s very likely they are doing the same on all their posts.

They are also harassing other users by digging up comments/posts then lying about them in order to slander the other person.

The comment chain on this thread shows this behavior:
lemmy.world/post/32414918/18033196
(Note that there is an unmarked NSFW image from that user in the comments. This was used as an attempt to harass another user.)

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Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Shit behavior but the constant anti ai bullshit is so annoying. He’s 100% right when he talks about the tag teaming and brigading. I don’t even think the meme is AI, I think he’s messing with you guys when bringing up the egg. If you check his history, it’s just reposts I think.

It’s a meme community, the “AI slop” crusaders really need to learn to relax.

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- gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  He’s 100% right when he talks about the tag teaming and brigading.
  
  Absolutely wrong. Brigading and “tag teaming” would require a concerted effort. What you’re claiming is just separate individuals who all don’t like AI being shoved down their throat everywhere and people attempting to pass it as genuine content.
  
  Marking AI content as AI generated and allowing people to filter it out would solve all of these issues. That is the only real disconnect. Don’t try to turn it into some bullshit conspiracy theory because you’re encountering other people who disagree with you. That shit is worse than your false accusations of “brigading” and “tag teaming.”
  
  More importantly, there is no need to bring that argument in here. This is not about that.
  
  I think he’s messing with you guys when bringing up the egg
  
  That’s harassment.
  
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  - Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m not endorsing the vote manipulation, and in fact we immediately banned all his alts from our instance as you are perhaps aware, but didn’t mention here, and the user has been warned not to do it again.
    
    But it honestly seems a bit pathetic to be crying all over Lemmy just because someone decided to give you a taste of your own medicine for a change tbh. Especially when you and your contumelious mates go around bullying and harassing folks all the time. Don’t you have a shred of self awareness? Your behaviour is 100x more toxic than any genAI image will ever be.
    
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_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
More harassment from the antiAI crowd. At least you’ve given me another name to add to the ban list. This kind of behavior is disgusting, but since it’s .world I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

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rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I am the user in reference. Did I use another instance to down-vote, yes in this case. Why? because I felt I was backed into a corner. In hindsight, I should have contacted the mod admin or whomever, but this was not the first time they have done this to me, it happened also on memes @ lemmy world. I am sure others have come across their behavior on meme sites.

The complete story, which go $fsk yourself conveniently leaves out, is that he is part of a gang/group of users that go around meme sites, and other art related sites, and harass people who use AI. Firstly, some AI memes are hard to detect if AI is even involved. I can hardly tell at times, nor do I really care, but this anti-AI fascist group of users seem to police most memes and point a finger and cry “YOU ARE USING AI!!”, as if they alone can determine for us. Didn’t the Nazi’s do this sort of behavior when they banned/burned “questionable” books?

The real issue is they are using an outside tool, as noted below, to harass users. How do you know this? Well, look at the post, is go $fsk yourself or any of the other anti-AI posters there commenting on the meme’s content? No, they are there with their agenda…to harass and bully people who us AI. He is trying to cover it up and play the victim, as they have done before.

I apologize to the community for using the alts, it won’t happen again, but there is a much serious issue here. The fact that a user is using an outside tool on your community and others, and even so bold as to teach others, as noted below, how to use it to go after other users.

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- Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  The community (Lemmy Shitpost) has already decided to ban this tool going forward. The admin DM’d me. This should be banned by Lemmy World as a whole.
  
  How can a community mod ban that wool? It uses federation information, so only an admin defederating the instance used by the tool would prevent the tool from working.
  
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  - rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I have no idea how the admin tools work, so asking the wrong person. He told me they ‘plan to’ ban it, didn’t say how…or when. I have already escalated the issue, now that go$fskyourself and his bullying gang have shown themselves over this incident, to the actually lemmy programmers. They were already aware of this outside tool, and it didn’t sound like they were happy about it, but left the issue dangling. I have re-opened it showing the abuse from go$fsckyourself and how it can harm others, so we will see what can be done.
    
    I assume one can create a community and gain admin tools? If that is true, can you then use that tool to also see up/down votes by users outside your own community? If so, that would be another easy exploit.
    
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  - gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s most likely that it’s just another lie. That’s the most likely answer considering this user’s history.
    
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  - moseschrute@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I assume that tool is using a collection of existing accounts to cast the votes? If so, can you just identify which accounts those are and report them to whatever server they are hosted on? I didn’t read the whole thread so maybe I’m missing some context.
    
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some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Thanks for the heads up.

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Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How are you able to see who upvoted something?

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- gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There’s a few ways of seeing votes. IMO they should be visible all the time.
  
  Moderators can see the votes of posts and comments in the subs they moderate.
  
  Admins can see all votes federated to their instance.
  
  Users have to use a separate tool for it. In this case I used Lemvotes.
  
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  - Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Can you explain how I can see the up and down votes in the communities I moderate? I do not know how to do this, and I am not seeing them.
    
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  - ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I haven’t been able to use Lemvotes for a couple weeks. Every link I put in just comes up as not found now.
    
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DeezDohNutz@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Lemmy, and specifically Lemmy World, is allowing users to utilize an outside tool as described below to spy/h arras/gang-up, and now trying to ban other users, all because the user ‘go $fsck whatever’ is rolling around meme sites using this on people who post AI memes? How is this allowed and why is it allowed? This is disturbing. Can someone riddle me this, how is this better than reddit? On reddit, people were fed up with the heavy censorship of mods/admins/corporate, but here the users are doxxing, try to censor other users via outside tools. As the old meme goes; These two “pictures” are the same.

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- gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You just outed another alt of yours, rodneyck. Congrats.
  
  “doxxing”? Your arguments are unhinged. You’re clearly here to try to harass me using alts and you’re only upset because you were caught manipulating votes. Having things like votes and the modlogs public is the strength of Lemmy that prevents people like you from trying to manipulate the platform to your advantage.
  
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- kuato@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Some instances defederated from lemvotes.org, which is why it doesn’t work on them. I’d like to know why lemmy.world hasn’t done it.
  
  When you come across vote manipulation, I think the thing to do is report them to the mods/admins and let them handle it.
  
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  - gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What benefit is there in doing so? If you have the resources, anyone can spin up a federated instance and gain access to the same information that is available to admins and mods. This just makes it more accessible. People could even just use an instance of this Lemvotes tool.
    
    Personally, I think the vote information should be public to all users inherently. This is a perfect example of why.
    
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  - DeezDohNutz@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah that is a good question. The thing is with the moderators, some of them are afraid of this [fck AI] group. I guess they can really take down an instance, community? We we see. I think it needs to be dealt with at a Lemmy World level.
    
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