Is it better to leave a country, or stay behind to fight for it? And what about the ethics of fleeing instead of staying behind?

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• ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I made a similar post and I feel no answers here on lemmy are satisfactory. They’re either you should have left 8 years ago or fight for (what?) it. At the beginning of this term people yelled fascism and I thought that was silly. Now it feels closer to reality but it’s unclear what is just news making it worse than it is or reality.

  Leaving certainly is an option but not an easy one, especially depending on your family situation. I’ve considered both and honestly idk. The people who just yell we should have left a while ago are too ready to jump the gun and probably are keyboard activists who are in fact still here.

  Idk, just some thoughts. Idk what to do either but it’s scary.

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• insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Generally, I feel like it depends on how viable it seems to fix. Is this the same issue that people marched about 50+ years ago?

  Specific elephant in the room, what possible fix within 2-4 decades is there when the right has most of the keys including a stacked supreme court?

  Personally, I can’t really fight or leave. I am nowhere close to anything politically relevant… I have no transportation, income, or ID/passport etc. I am a shut-in with untreated health issues. I’m just letting the days go by.

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• Polderviking@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For me this entirely revolves around why why’s and how’s when it comes to how that affects the ethics of it.

  With a defense type scenario I’d likely have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror if I just left and essentially allowed my home to be taken.

  If we are the aggressor, then no thanks bye.

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• hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You can always help overseas where you’re safer.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How? We can barely have an impact here

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• nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  stay. you will feel like shit when things go down and you are on the other side of the world doing nothing. it’s pussy shit.

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  • Bazoogle@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s pussy shit, sure, but you only get one life. You don’t get another chance. You may feel like shit for leaving, but you’re alive and not in a prison. Which, if you ask me, I’d rather feel bad than be dead.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The original post did not mention fear of political persecution. I think that’s a different situation.

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• HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I would flee if I could. Its not like the current stuff came and it was like hey im going to start fighting. We have been trying to change course and despite this its been going in the wrong direction. I mean will fight to the last but if my back was not against a wall I would be gone.

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• Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I don’t think there’s any easy answer here.

  If you stay, are you able and willing to fight and to what degree under which circumstances? What do you have to offer? Will you be more of a liability than an asset? How do you weigh your personal safety and wellbeing or those of your family and friends against the country or world? What do your prospects look like in whatever country you choose to flee to?

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• biegoditch@lemmy.cafe ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Depends. If you want to draft me, fuck off. If invaders come in my neighborhood, I’ll be in the wood blowing bombs like my ancestors did when the germans came.

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• SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI (I think some people are using this video in bad faith but the main message still stands)

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• L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Don’t run away unless it makes you stronger because of it. Once something has been gained, never yield it without a purpose or a strategy - even if that ends up being a bad decision it was at least yours to make.

  It is a difficult endeavor to gain new ground; it is nigh impossible to fully recover that which has been lost.

  After you have ceded all your land and yielded every advantage, where will you seek shelter and from what will you find strength?

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