Will Britain ever build beautiful?

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• mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Headline ending in a question mark… the answer is always No.

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  • MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At least there was some substance to this though. It was an interesting read.

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    • HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tldr for the lazy amongst us?

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A new development popped up in Nottingham recently. Nestled in between a main road and a train line, overlooked by the ruined husk of the old Virgin Media building, and conveniently across the road from a sewage plant.

    I’m expecting them to complete and sell over the winter, because it smells delightful on any day over 20°C.

    The answer is definitely no.

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• Borkingheck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s impossible to build beautiful when houses are crammed into every inch of space. I utterly lament any modern housing estate where the houses have a foot wide garden at the front that leads straight onto the pavements. Let alone the ghoulish postage stamp back gardens with no privacy.

  Space is needed for beauty. A tree needs space to grow. The closest we seem to get now is the sustainable urban drainage system (suds). As suds are a green area with a path built around them.

  I literally don’t want to move from where I am as the estate was built with passageways between the streets, with large breaks of green space between blocks of housing and mature trees to boot.

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  • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are a lot of competing factors here, and also a consideration for what we consider beautiful.

    Without getting too wanky about it, I’d guess that what most people consider beautiful is your “traditional” village with two storey detached houses and mature gardens. A little parade of local shops, a pub, green, a pre-reformation church, etc. Not many of those exist, and those that do are either insanely expensive, out in the middle of nowhere, or both.

    Then you’ve got density. Because the UK is so incredibly centered around the south east - due to policy failures over literal centuries, not just decades - you’ve got to build up. The problem with “skyscrapers” is that they are not the ‘street in the sky’ they were promoted as when council tower blocks were all the rage in the 60s. For one, there is a complete absence of public shared space. Corridors lit with bulbs are not streets in the summer twilight. That shared space is really what that village above is all about, yes you have your nice house, but the rest - the community you’re also part of - only comes about by being essentially forced to interact with each other.

    If you’ve never lived in an apartment building it’s really difficult to describe just how isolated you are. You never even see your neighbours, because you don’t get that happenstance of looking out the window watching the birds and notice the person across the road getting home, the same way you do in other forms of housing. The only chance you get is if both of you just so happen to be going down the same narrow corridor at the same time. There is no community because there is no familiarity. Because there is no community, everyone is faceless, so “anti social behaviour” doesn’t matter cos instead of it being Fred who you are disturbing at 2am, it’s “that prick next door who always complains”.

    Balancing density and maintaininy communities is a hard problem; as you say, it takes much more than just tried to cram every m^2 of land with directly sellable property.

    There is a balance between individualism and community. We’ve seemed to develop a view of individualism which is about everyone being an island and not needing anyone else, rather than about the freedom to be true to yourself, and tolerant of others, whilst recognising we are all humans, and ultimately require each other to not just survive, but thrive.

    The best example I can think of this was when I was speaking to a friend the other week. They are buying a house and one of their conditions was a big enough garden so their kids can play football. Not a full size pitch, obviously, but a good 40-50 meters.

    When I was a kid, we did that on the community playing field a 10 minute walk the house, on a full-size pitch, with permanent goals. The estate they were looking at, a 10 minute walk meant you were still in the estate. It’s a new build, has a tiny soft play area, and nothing else. It’s going to be a warzone in 10-15 years when all the kids have grown up and have absolutely nothing to do.

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  • Twiglet@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I literally don’t want to move from where I am as the estate was built with passageways between the streets, with large breaks of green space between blocks of housing and mature trees to boot.

    The little green spaces around my estate have been slowly disappearing, having claustrophobic little houses crammed onto them, it’s depressing. I honestly don’t like kids, but the neighbourhood kids used to be able to just faff around on the green spaces here close to home. Now those spaces sport a handful of bungalows and the kids have nowhere to pass the time. Seriously, people keep lamenting that their kids aren’t going outside to play or loitering where they are a nuisance, but there’s no fucking space for them any more. Where do you want them to go? The road?

    Being a kid nowadays must really suck.

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  • md5crypto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you want to bring in unlimited migrants and not build high density housing? Good luck with that bruv.

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  • Mex@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We are not helping ourselves by building detached or semis. Look at (good) victoria terraces.

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• Mixel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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• lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not sure the last word of the title is needed.

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• hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Unherd never cease to amaze me; constantly complaining about the outcomes of the political ideology they support.

  Of course the country will never build beautiful spaces for society to enjoy, when society doesn’t exist.

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• HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  An article so cleverly written as to make it almost incomprehensible. Someone get this person a sub-editor.

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• angelsomething@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The article could have been a meme. You know the one.

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• Borkingheck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Iirc Boris had a pitch for being 10 mins from a football pitch, that’d work for me. Bout the only thing he said that didn’t seem like Etonian word salad.

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• FatLegTed@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They are some seriously big outside toilets.

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• md5crypto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  High density, solar panels. What’s to complain about?

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