Luigi Mangione: What we know about healthcare CEO shooting suspect

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• TinyBreak@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Hes a fucking hero thats all we need to know. I regret its come to death, but I think its more than about time we get a little “french” with our attitudes to the ruling class.

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• Nath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  We know that this particular murder received a lot more media and police attention than the hundreds of others of murders that happen every year in New York.

  I think the difference with this murder boils down to how people have reacted to it. Normally when there’s an act of violence like this, people tend to think something like ‘that could have been me’ - being the victim. The difference in this case is that many people are thinking the same thing, but putting themselves in the position of the shooter instead of the victim.

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  • eureka@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    In my opinion, the biggest thing this assassination did was clarify economic class. Look who came out in strong defense of the CEO, and look who came out in celebration. People used to the simple cultural “left”/“right” lens struggled to make much sense of it, saying this ‘united the country’, but the class divide was bright as day with the owning class panicking together and their politicians and mass media megaphones repeating a pretty consistent chant.

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    • Nath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying, particularly regarding the response from politicians and assorted media commentators. I think the wider public response is more nuanced than just economic class, however. I believe the response has come more from the victim’s specific industry than just “kill the rich guy”. Similarly, I seriously doubt the reaction would have been remotely the same if the victim was a Millionaire who happened to own a business that made wardrobes. There is a real dissatisfaction with healthcare in the USA and particularly with Health Insurance companies.

      The ‘that could have been me’ response was more because many people could see themselves being mad enough at a Health Insurer to kill a CEO than killing some guy because he’s rich. You could of course argue that they are dissatisfied with health care because the care they receive is tied to economic class, and you’d be right. So economic class plays into this response. It isn’t the whole picture, though.

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  • Seagoon_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    maybe people tried to put themselves in the place of the victim but couldn’t because the target was a heartless psychopath that has caused the deaths of many thousands by denying healthcare

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• peej@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Uhh, did they mean Firaxis? I think they might need to Fixarixis the spelling there.

  Hero? Yes. Legend? Also yes.

  Maybe it’s finally time for the healthcare revolution?

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  • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Let me guess, even if the revolution you’re talking about ends up happening, you’ll only “help” by maybe going outside to kick some cars and shit like that. You wouldn’t involve yourself in any kind of armed takeover of something important, you wouldn’t lead any fresh and clueless recruits. You wouldn’t do anything particularly useful.

    You don’t even know what the resulting government would be, you only know you’d be arguing with fellow divergent revolutionaries. Not the important ones that fight themselves to the top of the chaotic new social ladder, just random ones. The ones not involving themselves directly with the designing of a new government, but rather arguing about what conclusion the important guys should reach and inevitably whining about it being the wrong one. Maybe you’ll even witness a contact of yours form a splintered faction insisting on some independent territory. But you won’t be that guy. You’ll just be cheering on the whole revolutionary-ness of it all. And then you’ll probably die.

    Why don’t you know exactly what you’d fight to implement? Why haven’t you already agreed and compromised with the rest yet? Why are you leaving that to be determined and challenged when momentum and might makes right, when the faction with the most aggressive recruitment and easiest pitch gets to call the shots?

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    • peej@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Okay, I made a play on words and a hopeful statement with the implication that these would be one and the same revolution.

      I’m not sure why that merits putting words in my mouth and then accusing me of lip service. You are right that I likely won’t be on our even near the front lines, but that’s because the current form of government has already failed me and I am disabled by long COVID. It has failed me through medication shortages for my ADHD. And society has failed myself and all autists ever since that nazi fuck asperger first othered us. Probably before that even.

      Can I ask you to try coming in next time with a bit more charity, a lot more curiosity, and to check your assumptions at the door? I bet we are more alike than you think.

      There are really interesting conversations we could be having now based on what you said, and I think you genuinely want to have those conversations, and sort of hope you just misread my tone or intention and assumed that I on the other hand do not. I am autistic, and this is s things that happens a lot, especially with my neurotypical peers but even some of my neurospicy family are not immune.

      How could this exchange have gone differently if you had asked me what I think would or should come after revolution, or offer your own ideas. What form of government do we both see as ideal? What do they have in common, where do we differ. Let’s explore those things. We could be building each other up, testing our beliefs and improving them together through discourse, even and especially where we still disagree after that.

      And I’d like to make it clear that if the revolution doesn’t include a vision of a world that treats disabled folks as equals, or more specifically, one that supplants the medical model of disability with the social model, then my revolution hasn’t come yet. If it doesn’t include all folks, that black lives matter and trans lives matter, my revolution hasn’t come yet. If it doesn’t abolish prisons and police, my revolution has not come yet.

      I can never be front line infantry but i have other less common and equally necessary skills to contribute in the hardware and software space. Will we need computers? Drones? Secure communications? If so then we will need more than a few people like me, able bodied or not.

      Friend, what’s in your revolution? What are your passions and what are your struggles? How can I support you and what you need?

      Maybe we didn’t communicate well today, that’s okay. Let’s try again another time. I hope that’s something you’d consider in the future, if not with me, with someone else. But when the revolution comes, I know I will be there, and I have a pretty good feeling you’ll be there too.

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    • eureka@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      What a bizarre extrapolation.

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