Do some people think rapping is a permutation of raping, subtly adding to the edge factor of this music genre and making it less likely older people will take to it than younger people who don't know

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• foggy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So, in the future, when you’re wondering “where a word comes from,” there’s a good word to know: Etymology. Etymology is the study of words histories.

  From the Wikipedia article on “Rapping”, there is a section on etymology and usage:

  The English verb rap has various meanings; these include “to strike, especially with a quick, smart, or light blow”,[17] as well “to utter sharply or vigorously: to rap out a command”.[17] The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives a date of 1541 for the first recorded use of the word with the meaning “to utter (esp. an oath) sharply, vigorously, or suddenly”.[18] Wentworth and Flexner’s Dictionary of American Slang gives the meaning “to speak to, recognize, or acknowledge acquaintance with someone”, dated 1932,[19] and a later meaning of “to converse, esp. in an open and frank manner”.[20] It is these meanings from which the musical form of rapping derives, and this definition may be from a shortening of repartee.[21] A rapper refers to a performer who “raps”. By the late 1960s, when Hubert G. Brown changed his name to H. Rap Brown, rap was a slang term referring to an oration or speech, such as was common among the “hip” crowd in the protest movements, but it did not come to be associated with a musical style for another decade.[22]

  Rap was used to describe talking on records as early as 1970 on Isaac Hayes’ album …To Be Continued with the track name “Monologue: Ike’s Rap I”.[23] Hayes’ “husky-voiced sexy spoken ‘raps’ became key components in his signature sound”.[24] Del the Funky Homosapien similarly states that rap was used to refer to talking in a stylistic manner in the early 1970s: “I was born in '72 … back then what rapping meant, basically, was you trying to convey something—you’re trying to convince somebody. That’s what rapping is, it’s in the way you talk.”[25]

  Sometimes said to be an acronym for ‘rhythm and poetry’, this is not the origin of the word.[26]

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  • ken_cleanairsystems@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seizing the opportunity to mention one of the best websites ever: The Online Etymological Dictionary. Here are their entries on “rap”.

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  • Vupperware@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pontification aside, he’s really just wondering if some Uber-conservatives disregard the etymology and jump to the conclusion stated in his post.

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    • Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You misspelled racist.

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• moobythegoldensock@geddit.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No, nobody thinks this.

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• southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, I know and have known some of the dumbest, worst educated people in existence (seriously, just in my family I have two relatives that were drop outs. In the sixth grade. And they’re dumber than homemade dammit on top of that) and I’ve never heard anyone make this kind of statement.

  So, while it isn’t impossible someone has, I doubt it’s in the double digits

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• sofa-sogood@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @FizzlePopBerryTwist, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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• frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Got to say, fellas, there’s an issue with reading comprehension going on here, and it’s not with OP. Question very clearly asks if ‘some people’ think X. It doesn’t say, ‘I think that X’ or ‘Do you agree that X?’, which is how people are taking it.

  Having said that: no, I don’t think anyone thinks that.

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  • AmidFuror@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It's likely that someone thinks it. If OP can think up that rationale and reject, someone with less critical thinking can think it up and embrace it.

    It's not particularly useful to know if some people believe a ridiculous thing, but they almost certainly do. It's more useful to know how widespread the thinking is and how it may influence culture. What are the consequences of this line of thought and is anyone trying to exploit it for political gain?

    Without some poll or study, we can each go by personal experience. I'd wager this isn't as commonplace as other illegitimate reasons to not like rap, include just general racism.

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• cloudless@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When your mind is dirty, everything looks dirty to you.

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• Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • moobythegoldensock@geddit.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “I don’t understand it so therefore it’s bad!”

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  • NewNewAccount@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is either some boomer or racist shit. Maybe both.

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  • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not a fan of rap. But there artists who run head to head with any of the great wordsmiths of the past. Their artform is not the same.

    If someone says trap is a talentless genre, they are just showing their ignorance of the genre.

    Bob Dylan is probably one of the best mumble rappers that no one will ever acknowledge. Hes also a great song writer, but his vocals are terrible much of the time. Out of context, considering how high todays standards are, hes a joke performatively

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  • Neato@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh look! Garden variety racism.

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• CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s common enough that this dude made this song about it, idk 🤷

  youtu.be/NARxgXEdlzs

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