Surely the clearest path to retaining only the best.
Shit company. I remember seeing the articles quoting Michael Dell saying WFH was the greatest thing and other companies were too scared to do it. All they do is put other people’s shit in a case.
Dell responds to return-to-office resistance with VPN, badge tracking
Submitted 7 months ago by Powderhorn@beehaw.org to technology@beehaw.org
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blarth@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Exactly how my office is doing things. All of us are tracked by our phones to ensure commutes and then by IP address pulled from Entra ID and company-wide VPN. They cross reference it with our seat booking system.
We were 100% remote for all employees since March 2019. Managers now encourage us to go out and buy food at the restaurants nearby (some even “jokingly” ask for receipts which some people keep).
It’s more important to hold up the economy than lower emissions and improve morale, employee happiness, and productivity.
dandi8@kbin.social 7 months ago
Jesus, that sounds like hell.
AbsoluteAggressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I feel like helping local economy is the only valid reason against work from home.
But, you know. Not like better city planning wouldn’t help this.
beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
You should have a local economy where you live…
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Imagine reading in a national newspaper that a government official wanted workers back downtown to fix the downtown economy and then learning 3 days later that you must start showing up to an office to sit on Teams calls with your nationally dispersed team.
Banzai51@midwest.social 7 months ago
Working from home does help the local economy, just not the right ones for the C-suite.
giloronfoo@beehaw.org 7 months ago
As much as I hate to admit it, the conversations that happen because I overheard another conversation a couple cubes over do have value.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 months ago
It’s a way to filter out people, for good or ill.
Depending on the group/team/organization, physical presence makes a huge difference.
Even though I can work from home at will, I still go to the office a lot, about 60% of my time is there. Physical presence just makes a lot of things easier, and it makes teams more cohesive. I can’t imagine spending less time at the office - those random hallway conversations make a world of difference. If you’re not there for the convo, they’ll tap someone else, not by design or intention, just by that person being in front of them.
Now a call center? Maybe not so much, though I was once on a call center team and the ability to tap a teammate on the shoulder was a big help. Much better than using chat tools. So it really depends on the organization.
And then there’s management that need you there to justify their role. That’s just a poorly managed company, when senior management permits that (though some of them need their own staff count to justify their roles).
BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
It totally is job dependent. I have had WFH since 2009. Mostly Engineering CAD work and design feasibilities. Some peoole needed the office interaction for learning, but I already had 20 years experience so I really didn’t need input until design reviews. That role changed to more consulting in 2015 and I had to be onsite to learn the clients process and products, and get differing views from each “expert”. Since COVID WFH i have been solo at home again. I get way more accomplished without random coworker hellos and idle chatter interrupting my flow.
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 7 months ago
company makes remote workers ineligible for promotion
hey guys yeah it really depends on the job, sometimes you just gotta be in the office heh
Nighed@sffa.community 7 months ago
Those quotes aren’t in the parent comment?
MagicShel@programming.dev 7 months ago
60-70% seems nuts to me. 10%-20% feels about right to me. That’s a day every week or two. Builds cohesion and lets you do some effective brainstorming sessions, and then the rest of the time you do actual work far more efficiently. I mean you do you, but I thought I was suffering from lack of office time, but that’s way too far in the other direction for me.
It’s been 5 years and 3 jobs since I’ve been to an office. My last job I honestly don’t even know what state my job was based out of. That’s a little too disconnected. But just a little.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
At our small company many of us became more productive with working from home, to the point that they closed the office. A couple of people are finding it difficult because of their home situations, so it would be good still to have a space to work outside the home. But generally we’re getting more done these days, and most who do work that needs prolonged concentration find this more conducive to that.
It varies between different companies, teams, roles and temperaments. What Dell is doing sounds like corporate heavy-handedness.
loops@beehaw.org 7 months ago
A couple of people are finding it difficult because of their home situations
This is why most of the nice cafes in my city are packed for most of the afternoon. A lot of people are WFH but don’t want to stay home for whatever reason they have.
CaptObvious@literature.cafe 7 months ago
My uni forced us to resume in-person classes barely five months into the pandemic. No one is more productive. To this day, I’m only in the office when my contract says I have to be there. Even then, the door is closed and the lights are off. I can literally count on one hand the number of useful hallway conversations in the last four years. Generally, I’m far more productive without the interruptions and pointless random socializing.
Nighed@sffa.community 7 months ago
It really depends on the company. You can make fully remote work, you can make 20-40% work or you can do 80-100% work. However the company needs to be run with that in mind to ensure good communication/team building etc.
You also can’t just change the rules. If you change the split someone is going to be unhappy.
(And accept that your possible talent pool is reduced when you don’t offer remote work)
actual_pillow@programming.dev 7 months ago
What a bot response.
EndHD@lemm.ee 7 months ago
You have to wonder if these “leaders” of big companies have families or hobbies or like doing literally anything normal.
Being addicted to working and hoarding money beyond reason is an addiction at the end of the day and it has wide reaching impact. They need to get serious help.
tesseract@beehaw.org 7 months ago
They’re not addicted to work. Just money. And to exploit regular people - both workers and customers - and rob their money. Do you think their pay is proportional to their work? How do you think they get time to socialize and scheme against plebs if they are addicted to work?
In this particular context, they insist on return to office because WFH represents a loss of returns on the investments they made on corporate real estate.
While their addiction to money is a disorder, it’s as bad to the general public as people with antisocial and criminal tendencies. The only difference is that these rich sociopaths have enough capital to buy their way out of being held responsible. They won’t seek help because they enjoy the harm they inflict - just like how criminals don’t consider their sadism as a mental disorder. They needed to be treated the same way as any other criminal - as a threat to society. And measures should be taken to prevent them from inflicting harm on normal people. Something like locking them in a cell and throwing the key away.
Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 7 months ago
High five. Completely agree lol. I can honestly think of thirty years or more of other activities, hobbies and opportunities that I would actively rather pursue over a paycheck.
Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 7 months ago
I’m terrified that one day, I’ll be forced back into the office. I think I’ve gotten extremely lucky so far. I know 100% I would not have made it through the past couple years if I was in the office. We have personal offices, which is a step up from cubicles, but it’s 4 white walls and no natural sunlight. In the winter I saw sunlight for maybe 10 minutes total a day if I was lucky.
I just don’t think people are meant to be working the way our current societies do. Conditions should be improved across the board for every industry regardless if you are doing white collar or blue collar work. Our lives are too short to be wasted making other people rich.
Emmie@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I think we just only recently have a privilege to be able to ponder on it. 100 years ago kids were working in some factory since 10 yo everyone was too busy with just surviving
ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 7 months ago
[deleted]Liz@midwest.social 7 months ago
COVID extremely didn’t end. It’s still here and still fucking people up long term. We all just decided that either 1) we didn’t care or 2) the reduced risk associated with being vaccinated was good enough.
Quexotic@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Porque no los dos?
Swallowtail@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Remote workers are overall more productive, report a better work-life balance, and suffer less from occupational burnout. It also saves companies money because they don’t have to spend as much on office space.
psychologytoday.com/…/the-surprising-truth-about-…
My time is the most precious commodity I have. Unfortunately I’m in a career where I can’t work remotely, but if I was I would refuse to go back to the office. Life is too precious to waste it sitting in traffic if you don’t have to.
NGnius@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I’m sure many people would be much more willing to go into the office if they got paid for their commute. Even better if they got the pollution from their commute offset. Nothing lazy about wanting to be compensated for things you’re doing for your employer.
tesseract@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Covid demonstrated that the physical presence of the staff in the office is not necessary for many types of jobs. WFH is shown to be economic, time saving and improving the work-life balance of those workers. It’s not like any of these companies are willing to compensate the workers for the hours lost in the commute.
If you still refuse to return to the office, then you’re just being lazy at that point.
That is classic gaslighting BS. What matches this situation better is that the corporate overlords are being greedy AF. They are worried more about the returns on their real estate investments than about employee wellbeing, practicality and sustainability.
DdCno1@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Does this look like ending three years ago?
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Now The Register reports that Dell will track employees’ badge swipes and VPN connections to confirm that workers are in the office for a significant amount of time. An unnamed source told the publication: “This is likely in response to the official numbers about how many of our staff members chose to remain remote after the RTO mandate.” The Register reported that Dell “plans to make weekly site visit data from its badge tracking available to employees through the corporation’s human capital management software and to give them color-coded ratings that summarize their status.” Here at Dell, we expect, on an ongoing basis, that 60 percent of our workforce will stay remote or have a hybrid schedule where they work from home mostly and come into the office one or two days a week." In a statement to The Register, a representative said that Dell believes “in-person connections paired with a flexible approach are critical to drive innovation and value differentiation.” News of Dell’s upcoming tracking methods comes amid growing concern about the potentially invasive and aggressive tactics companies have implemented as workers resist RTO policies. — Saved 71% of original text.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 months ago
It’s a layoff, but without having to call it a layoff.
Quexotic@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Biggest difference in my eyes is that with a layoff you at least get to choose who leaves but in this case you only lose the best and most qualified.
Nice work Dell.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 months ago
You’re keeping the people willing to make sacrifices to keep their jobs. You’re keeping the most desperate, most readily exploitable people, and getting rid of anyone who won’t tolerate your abuse.