‘We definitely messed up’: why did Google AI tool make offensive historical images?

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  was it really offensive or was it just “target selling pride clothes during pride month” offensive?

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know that “offensive” is the right word. More just “shitty” and “lazy”.

    Like they took the time out to teach it “diversity” but couldn’t bother to train it past “diversity = people who are not white” or to acknowledge when the user is asking specifically for a white person or a different region or time period.

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    • Faydaikin@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I, for one, welcome Japanese George Washington,Indian Hitler and Inuit Ghandi to our historical database.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the lesson here is that political correctness isn’t very machine learnable. Human history and modern social concerns are very complex in a precise way and really should be addressed with conventional rules and algorithms. Or manually, but that’s obviously not scalable at all.

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• GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not just historical. I’m a white male and I prompted Gemini to create images for me if a middle aged white man building a Lego set etc. Only one image was a white male and two of the others wrecan Indian and a Black male. Why when I asked for a white male. It was an image I wanted to share to my family. Why would Gemini go off the prompt? I did not ask for diversity, nor was it expected for that purpose, and I got no other options for images which I could consider so it was a fail.

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  • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem is that the training data is biased and these AIs pick up on biases extremely well and reinforce them.

    For example, people of color tend to post fewer pictures of themselves on the internet, mostly because remaining anonymous is preferable to experiencing racism.
    So, if you’ve then got a journalistic picture, like from the food banks mentioned in the article, suddenly there will be relatively many people of color there, compared to what the AI has seen from its other training data.
    As a result, it will store that one of the defining features of how a food bank looks like, is that it has people of color there.

    To try to combat these biases, the bandaid fix is to prefix your query with instructions to generate diverse pictures. As in, literally prefix. They’re simply putting words in your mouth (which is industry standard).

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    • frogmint@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For example, people of color tend to post fewer pictures of themselves on the internet, mostly because remaining anonymous is preferable to experiencing racism.

      That is quite the bold statement. Source?

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    • GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes you do want something specific. I can understand if someone just asked for a person x, y, z and then gets a broader selection of men, women, young, old, black or white. But if one asks for a middle-aged white man, I would not expect it to respond with a young, Black women, just to have variety. I’d expect other non-stated variables to be varied. It’s like asking for a scene of specifically leafy green trees, then I would not expect to see a whole lot of leafless trees.

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    • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, in this case I think it’s a classic case of over correction and prompt manipulation. The bus you’re talking about is right, so to try to combat that they and other ai companies manipulate your prompt before feeding it to the llm. I’m very sure they are stripping out white male and or subbing in different ethnicities to try to cover the bias

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  • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Could you elaborate on the use case you’re describing? You were trying to make an image of a middle aged white man building Lego for your family?

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    • GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but it does not really matter what the rest of the prompt detail was? The point was, it was supposed to me an image of me doing an activity. I’d clearly prompted for a white man, but it gave me two other images that were completely not that. Why was Gemini deviating from specific prompts like that? Seems the identical issue to the case with the Nazis, just introducing variations completely of its own.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What? Gemini has an image gen tool? That fucker told me it didn’t when I asked.

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  • watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They switched off image generation after these issues, so it (correctly) said that it couldn’t generate images at the time.

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• NoLifeKing@ani.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why is that a problem? These things happened and why shouldn’t the “ai” get images of it?

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  • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The issue is not that it can generate the images, it’s that the filtering a pre prompt for Gemini was coercing the images to include forced diversity into the gens. So asking for 1940s German soldier would give you multiracial Nazis, even though that obviously doesn’t make sense and it’s explicitly not what was asked for.

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    • NoLifeKing@ani.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lmao

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• alicehughes@thebrainbin.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Maybe there is a ban from ChatGPT

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