What is the exact meaning of a misogynist person?

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• Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All 3 of those are misogynistic view points.

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• southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All of the above.

  Words very often have multiple definitions, or usages.

  The word misogyny comes from Greek roots, miso (hatred), and gyne (woman). So misogynist literally means woman hater.

  However, the form that the hate can take may not be the kind of rabid, foaming hatred you think of as hate. It can include anything from dislike or mistrust, up to the extreme of hatred.

  It can also include prejudice against women, which isn’t necessarily hate in the usual sense, but has the same effect.

  More, when using it as a bigoted person that the bigotry is focused on women, it can definitely include stereotyping and the propagation of stereotyping.

  The term does get a little over used to include people that are just poorly informed rather than those that actively practice misogyny as a belief, but even that still applies in usage.

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• nottelling@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Or how about, rather than your narrow, specific 3 definitions, a fourth thing, such as how it’s phrased in the wiki:

  Misogyny is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men.

  The emphasis there is why you’re being called names on the internet. If you’re advocating systems or societal norms of gender oppression, you’re being misogynist. This remains true even if you’re not doing it intentionally.

  The world we live in is deeply patriarchal, so it can be hard to see these problems, because the views and opinions you’ve got are just “normal”. Something being the norm doesn’t mean it isn’t oppressive, and having an opinion doesn’t mean you shouldn’t consider the impacts of that opinion.

  Generally, if someone calls you a misogynist, and you go “bUt I rEsPeCt wOmEn”, you might want to take a little time to figure out where it’s coming from. It can certainly be real without fitting in your 3 tidy little self-serving definitions.

  I’ll also point out that you can replace nearly every instance of misogyny in this thread with racism, and replace women with black, and it would be the same discussion. Or you could swap misogyny/women with misandry/men. Oppression is oppression, no matter who holds the power.

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  • Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is such a great explanation, thanks for taking the time to write it all out.

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• ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes.

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• Nemo@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Someone who hates or oppresses women. It’s an aggressive form of sexism.

  Women can have internalized misogyny, as well, it’s not just men.

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• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These aren’t different things. If you “hate” women, you think little of them. You think you’re better than them. You think they’re dumb baby machines that belong in the kitchen.

  If you do #2 or #3, you also do #1 even if you don’t think you do.

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• JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Arguably, all three.

  It’s not the easiest concept to define. Kate Mann defines it as “the law enforcement branch of the patriarchy”. It’s not the philosophical justification of sexist beliefs, it’s the (often violent) enforcement of them.

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• nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  strongly prejudiced against women.

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• Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Mysogyny is the belief that women and the passtimes associated with cultural womanhood are less valuable, capable, worthy of resources and/or should have culturally different expectations or additional restrictions than men. Anything that places phenotypic female bodies or cultural “woman related stuff” on a heirachy beneath what is afforded to men is basic misogyny.

  In practice a lot of mysogyny doesn’t look like active hatred. It can be internalized by women themselves who don’t on their face hate being female but still see womanly passtimes as being lesser. If are a woman who hates the women who wear pink, wear makeup and enjoy flirting with boys because you think their choice of expression of femininity is silly and purile… You are buying in to a heirachy based on cultural gendered lines that places the more feminine centric expressions as being lesser.

  The targets aren’t always women. Misogyny for instance can be seen when a gay or non-gender conforming person is riddiculed for being lesser for wanting to express the feminine as the underlying assumption is that the trappings of femininity is not a choice between two equally vaild options but choosing an option which is lower than what they should want. Meanwhile women emulating the masculine is not usually commented on because when the masculine is aspirational and the feminine is silly, trite garbage for inferior people it makes logical sense to ditch it.

  Misogyny exists in our use of language. Examine for instance the word “pussy” which equates the female genetalia with cowardly behavior and “unmannly” inferiority. You are acting as a woman which is supposed to be insulting because women are not just categorically different but equal… They are implied to be an inferior state of being.

  Furthermore some misogyny can be “benevolent” - CRITICALLY this does not mean it is good. Benevolent misogyny is harmful - but it means that the misogyny comes from a place of misplaced pity and assumption of inferiority. Treating a person as weaker, more delicate, in need of help and unable to make their own decisions or utilize their own capacity for handling things is also misogyny. Being treated as though you are a child who will never grow up will drive people to utter bite through solid steel madness or worse injure their self worth, sense of independence and empower learned helplessness.

  The companion peice to misogyny is misandry. The idea that men are all to some degree inherently violent, sex motivated and unsafe for women and children to be around and the idea that any choice of a man to express the feminine is abhorant limiting the options of men to participate in society in ways not outlined by traditional masculine expectations.

  Unlearning misogyny is not an easy thing. It is a process of dismantling behavior based out of something you may not have given much consideration. Our society is generally kind of misogynist by default so reaching in and recognizing misogyny and choosing to leave it behind takes a lot of effort and willingness to honestly self critique.

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• quindraco@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let’s break this down.

  1. Not all misogynists are guys.
  2. “Misogyny” is like “homophobia” - the literal definition applies, so it includes people who actively hate women, but it’s much broader in scope than that. 2A. All three of your examples are examples of misogyny.

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• radicalautonomy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• radicalautonomy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• pocopene@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s a sort of misogynistic that thinks women are superior to men (and I assume that’s the reason they “hate” women). Spanish director Luis Garcia Berlanga would an example.

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