Comment on AI slop animal abuse

Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Looking at this article, there’s only millimolar concentration of ammonia in feline urine (mean 118mM, range 16.9-292 mM). I’d be very surprised if anyone was able to generate significant quantities of phosgene by mixing bleach with cat urine.

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  • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thanks for sharing this data - it’s great.

    It actually makes sense; if cat urine contained ammonia the smell would be gone once you washed your cat’s impromptu litterbox, since ammonia is both volatile and highly soluble. And yet it keeps stinking - this hints that there’s something else there producing that ammonia by decomposition. (Probably proteins. Cats eat a lot more protein than we do.)

    Note: chlorine gas is the one that leaks from an open bleach bottle, and gives it a distinctive smell. The ones created by reacting bleach with ammonia are chloramines, considerably more poisonous.

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    • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Damn autocorrect, I thought I had typed chloramime.

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  • Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Isn’t chemistry all a matter of scale though? I admit it’s not my field

    I mean, if the cat pees on the rug and you clean it up right away, that’s probably not a big deal. I imagine it’s a different story if you’re cleaning out a hoarder’s cat colony in a poorly ventilated area and don’t dilute the bleach because you wanted something stronger

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    • KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, from my personal experience. We mop up dog pee in the house all the time with hot water and a splash of bleach and it’s totally fine. It bubbles a little when you rinse the mop in the bucket and you can definitely smell the reaction occurring.

      However, I also once cleaned the back patio of my old apartment of a summer’s worth of dog pee on concrete with about a gallon of straight bleach and had to wait for it to air out for about 20 minutes because it was a definite chemical hazard. As in, eyes burning, and difficult to breathe. I started pre-rinsing with the hose to dilute everything prior after that.

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      • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        … Why are you constantly cleaning dog pee indoors?

        Why was there so much dog pee on a concrete patio?

        Neither of these things scream “good dog owner” to me.

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  • Iheartcheese@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So you’re saying there’s a chance.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think there is enough ammonia in urine to create chlorine gas, considering bleach is widely used for cleaning toilets.

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• Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is it good on hotdogs and pretzels?

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hear that the hot new trend is subway surfing

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• timroerstroem@feddit.dk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The issue is not ammonia (at least not when it comes to urine) but rather urea, which also reacts with hypochlorite to create chloramines.

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