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• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In Finland there is no trespassing on private property. Well, not if it’s not gated or your yard or something. And you can’t gate large pieces of land like that, so…

  I understand that the nature is very different, for instance we have no mountains. So for me, I’m just thinking “just use another road”, but some places just have one road going there, I guess. Here, I’ll show my point:

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  I’ve highlighted the parks in yellow. Kansallispuisto = national park, luonnonpuisto = “nature park” (which sounds silly, I hear it). My point is that the trails in those areas start from a few places, and going to the national park, there’s several parkin places you can go to, and you can get to the areas from so many different places. And this isn’t a national park that requires any park rangers. I don’t even know if we have any, but if we do, they’re in the national parks which are up North in Lapland. This is a very small one. Just a big marsh with a lake in the center, essentially.

  So you couldn’t really set up a gatehouse or a booth anywhere there.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We have plenty of places like that here as well. The places where you have to pay to park are generally very popular and the fee is largely used to reduce how many go (i.e. reduce destruction) and fund maintenance and cleanup efforts.

    In my area, the only places that charge are state and national parks, and not even all of them. I have dozens of hiking trails within a few miles of me without any parking fees, and there’s a massive federally owned swath of land nearby also with no parking fees.

    If you go to the handful of extremely popular parks, you’ll pay a fee (and you can get an inexpensive yearly pass if you want), but if you go to literally anywhere else (dozens if not hundreds within 50 miles or so), there’s no fee. So Grand Canyon or Yellowstone = fee, local falls or BLM land (federally owned, but not a “national park”) are free.

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I just don’t understand how you can “fee” Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon. Those places are huge.

      You have a booth on every road?

      I don’t believe there’s a single place like that in Finland, what with our everymans rights

      Everyman’s rights are the right of every person to use nature regardless of who owns or controls the land. The use of nature within the limits set under the everyman’s rights therefore does not require the permission of the landowner and using the rights does not cost anything.

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      • Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yellowstone has limited access by road, but you could hike into it.

        The Grand Canyon has visitor’s centers and a few established areas with infrastructure for various activities, but you could hike to it, but getting into the canyon is another matter.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yup, for Yellowstone, that’s 3 entrances, so three sets of booths. It’s largely to cut down on traffic (traffic gets really bad as-is) and maintain the infrastructure.

        The only reason you’d go to any of the entrances is to visit the park, there are no through roads or anything, and it’s like an hour or two from the major highways, and several hours from a city larger than 10k people (aside from the tourism towns just outside the park). And the traffic to get into the park is backed up for an hour in the morning for people looking to get lucky with extra passes (there’s a maximum capacity).

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In America we don’t have any sort of “right to roam” law, sadly. If you want to feel even more smug and mock my country, wait until you watch this: youtu.be/yBrtWXBhuuo

    In the west there is a grid pattern of land like a checker board. Like this:

    X O X O
    O X ? X
    X ? X O
    O X O X
    

    The Xs are private property and you cannot access them. The Os are public property. The ?s in the middle are public property, but how do you get to them? The only way is by crossing through a corner. Obviously, the private land owners would prefer to view the public land as an extension of their private land so they believe that corner crossing should be illegal because it passes through their property. (Even if you don’t step on it you have to cross through their airspace so to speak.) Meanwhile, everyone else says, “hey, you can’t just double your land like this! Let me have access to the public land! What the hell do you mean airspace? I’m not a plane! I’m a person! And I didn’t step on your property!”

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Genuine curiosity being read as “smug and mocking” is a bit troublesome I feel. I’ve just not traveled a lot. I know things, but I haven’t been there personally, and reading about Yellowstone, it doesn’t exactly highlight that some company controls access to it, more or less.

      Thank you for the info on that though, seems horrible, and is exactly the type of behaviour our laws exist to prevent.

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      • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Light hearted banter being read as troublesome is also troublesome.

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