They’re not employed by me. Wages are between them and their boss. Any extra from anywhere else is a favor and not to be expected.
Hope that helps.
Comment on Anon doesn't tip
MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world 6 days ago
If you live in a place where food service workers are underpaid and you don’t tip, you’re an asshole. This is not a morally defensible stance unless there is a system to protect those workers already in place.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 days ago
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You’re correct. Their wage is often ~$3/hr. It’s nearly slave labor.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
While I’m totally for the workers being paid great, it’s not really MY job to do so (unless i own the restaurant I’m eating at. And at those the waiters are paid way above average and don’t need tips). Here we tip for excellent service, not the bare minimum to get my food on the table.
If you tip to pay salaries, YOU are the actual asshole that keeps a system alive that is the absolute dogshit in dystopian shitholes with no worker-rights like the US.
lemonmelon@lemmy.world 6 days ago
If you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
If you would’ve actually read the comment, you would’ve been in a clear advantage.
Where i live and eat, staff is paid fair and tips are given. But, as everywhere in this country, for especially good service and not because the customer is forced to because the employer doesn’t pay wages because the system is broken.
I also said that at my restaurants, waiting staff is paid way above average, which is probably multiple times of your weird country’s mininum. Do you even have a point?
lemonmelon@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Sure, let me help you! My point is that if you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.
MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world 5 days ago
How does withholding a tip end the current system?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Stop going to such places. I don’t go there (because we don’t have that silly system). Why tip at all? Do u tip the cashier at the supermarket? Your IT-guy? Your mechanic? Your docs? The cops?
But for the sake of the argument: if noone would tip, noone would work as a waiter anymore and employers would have to pay decent salaries. You know, like everyone civilized would do. Instead you support a disgusting asshole employee by paying the staffs salary AND food.
MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world 4 days ago
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We don’t tip workers in those other fields you mentioned because they make a livable wage. Food service workers, particularly servers, often make less than minimum wage.
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I’m glad wherever you live pays their wait staff a livable wage. If that happened in the US, tipping wouldn’t be the way it is now. Unfortunately the system has to change first. Until it does, if a customer patronizes a restaurant, they should tip. If someone can’t afford to tip, they should stay home.
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The “invisible hand of the market” isn’t going to solve this issue. A change in labor law will. We either need state or federal laws to protect food service workers. Then employers will be forced to pay their staff better and tipping won’t be so compulsory.
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CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
Amd you think the customer is the asshole because the system works.
MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Customers who don’t tip are. They are punishing a worker for the crimes of a system. The restaurant owner/manager doesn’t suffer if you don’t tip. Only the workers do. So until a change comes to the system where workers get paid minimum wage, not tipping isn’t morally defensible.
CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
You said it yourself, it’s the system not the customers. As long as we keep chasing our tails trying to blame the customer base instead of the real problem, the ones profiting keep laughing.
MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Okay? So push for better laws and higher minimum wage on one hand and until those changes are made, then tip with the other. We can do both at the same time. Right?
FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You’re right. I should just not go there at all, watch the business collapse, and see them beg for jobs at the next shitty restaurant. That’s the better option apparently?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Yes