Comment on Anon doesn't tip

MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re right. I should just not go there at all, watch the business collapse, and see them beg for jobs at the next shitty restaurant. That’s the better option apparently?

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes

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• damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They’re not employed by me. Wages are between them and their boss. Any extra from anywhere else is a favor and not to be expected.

  Hope that helps.

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• LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re correct. Their wage is often ~$3/hr. It’s nearly slave labor.

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• Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • lemonmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • lemonmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sure, let me help you! My point is that if you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.

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  • MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How does withholding a tip end the current system?

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        1. We don’t tip workers in those other fields you mentioned because they make a livable wage. Food service workers, particularly servers, often make less than minimum wage.

        2. I’m glad wherever you live pays their wait staff a livable wage. If that happened in the US, tipping wouldn’t be the way it is now. Unfortunately the system has to change first. Until it does, if a customer patronizes a restaurant, they should tip. If someone can’t afford to tip, they should stay home.

        3. The “invisible hand of the market” isn’t going to solve this issue. A change in labor law will. We either need state or federal laws to protect food service workers. Then employers will be forced to pay their staff better and tipping won’t be so compulsory.

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• CoolMatt@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Amd you think the customer is the asshole because the system works.

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  • MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Customers who don’t tip are. They are punishing a worker for the crimes of a system. The restaurant owner/manager doesn’t suffer if you don’t tip. Only the workers do. So until a change comes to the system where workers get paid minimum wage, not tipping isn’t morally defensible.

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    • CoolMatt@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You said it yourself, it’s the system not the customers. As long as we keep chasing our tails trying to blame the customer base instead of the real problem, the ones profiting keep laughing.

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      • MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Okay? So push for better laws and higher minimum wage on one hand and until those changes are made, then tip with the other. We can do both at the same time. Right?

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