Comment on Bethesda hired a Skyrim modder to create the "lighting and clutter" in Starfield

• Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s crazy.

  Bethesda have owned id Software, the best graphics engineers in the business, for a decade. They now even have Microsoft money. This is still, somehow, the best they can do.

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  • theragu40@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No it is not the best they can do. I haven’t played starfield yet, but it should be obvious that no company with shareholders to whom they need to answer is ever going to do “the best they can do”.

    That isn’t even their target, at least not overall. Their target is maximum profitability. Putting forth maximum effort for the best graphics is not going to result in max profits, so they were never going to do that.

    And that’s to say nothing of the fact that graphical showcases just aren’t what Bethesda does in the first place. No one should have expected that. This isn’t an id game.

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    • rambaroo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No one’s asking for a “graphical showcase”. M sick of people defending Bethesda by saying that’s just what they do. Literally the only company I see people trot this line out for.

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      • theragu40@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t care about Bethesda. As I said I didn’t even buy or play this game. Sorry about the wording.

        I just feel like it’s asinine to say things like “is this the best they can do?” when literally no company puts out their best. And it’s asinine to day things like “but they own id software” when id isn’t the developer making this game. And it’s asinine to expect a company whose games have made gobs of money and sold tens of millions of copies not being a graphical showcase having above average graphics, because why would they suddenly spend time and effort on something they haven’t had to do before and still had success?

        Focusing on wording is nitpicking. I’m quite sure you understood my point.

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• Graphine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Starfield…doesn’t suck though.

  I’ve sunk 20 hours into it so far and it’s amazing. You people just have your expectations up the ass for a company that is great at one formula and expect them to do the other when they never said they would. It’s ya’lls fucking fault for expecting No Mans Sky to be the greatest fucking game of all time at release over a company that made fucking Joe Danger.

  Oblivion and Skyrim have the same basic formula with little differences sprinkled in here and there mechanics wise that make it feel different, but familiar. Starfield is the same way and I fully expect ES 6 to do the same.

  Good god you people are negative.

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  • rambaroo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This happens with every Bethesda release because they overhype their games and keep their PR vague with that people can fill in the days any way they want to.

    And then people like you go and attack other fans instead of holding Bethesda accountable for their bullshit. Pathetic bootlicking garbage.

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    • Graphine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Overhype? Please give me an example of overhyping. That whole, “See that mountain? You can climb it” meme was legitimately true. And he actually said you can WALK to it. Misquote. So there’s one debunked.

      And no, they really don’t keep their PR vague. They had a fucking 40 minute direct all about the game several months before release. How much more specific do people need it to be? Anyone who has ever played a Bethesda game knows what to expect. They flat out showed the cutscene system when landing and taking off, and even Todd himself said there would be loading screens in several interviews.

      neither are the usual criticisms of Bethesda games half-assing everything from accessibility to writing to various gameplay elements.

      So the entire writing is half assed in Skyrim? Really? Even though it’s extremely memorable, the Dark Brotherhood questline is still considered among the greatest they’ve ever written, and Morrowinds story is considered GOAT to this day?

      I can absolutely understand Fallout 4. That was a major step back and I do not like that games story. It was boring and generic, along with the dialogue. Fallout 3 was a bit better but not by much. But seriously? Every single Bethesda Game? As for gameplay elements you’ll have to be more specific.

      Getting really sick of Bethesda fans shitting on anyone with criticism of their precious game company while whining about how toxic gaming culture is with zero self-awareness.

      If you’re ok with Bethesda never innovating that’s fine, but stop trying yti shut down other people’s valid criticisms or acting like they’re stupid for expecting and wanting higher quality releases.

      Bethesda has plenty of things in their games to critique. Nobody is denying that. I already critiqued earlier. And I don’t have a problem with criticism. My issue is when people critique a NEW game they haven’t even fucking played yet based off of things that existed before. And then better yet, playing the game and just scraping the barrel for the littlest shit to call it “garbage” because it’s tradition and they want to feel validated and big. That’s not critique. That’s just being a fucking idiot.

      If you don’t like Bethesda games, fine. I think the majority of people who are bitching anyway are just folks who don’t like them to begin with. Which makes even less sense as to WHY they feel the need to. Bottom line, you don’t got to like Starfield or any Bethesda game, but come up with some legitimate arguments first. And most importantly, JUST DON’T FUCKING PLAY IT.

      Other than that, I fail to understand why people want to shit on Bethesda nowadays and act like the games are complete trash when they’ve won 4 game of the year awards already.

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  • tal@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s ya’lls fucking fault for expecting No Mans Sky to be the greatest fucking game of all time at release

    Yeah, having read over a bunch of comments here, a lot of the comments that are unhappy about Starfield are basically people expecting it to be like No Man's Sky, or some people who just generally don't like Bethesda games in general. The ones that are happy tend to be people comparing it to earlier Bethesda games.

    I really like Bethesda games, so for me, that's great. But I do also get that there are people who don't like Bethesda games, and for those people, being told that they're wrong and that they should like it drives them nuts.

    I think a good rule of thumb is to probably expect Starfield to be similar to earlier Bethesda games, like Skyrim and Fallout 4. If you like those games, you'll probably like Starfield. If you dislike them, you're probably going to dislike Starfield.

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  • fsxylo@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh? Point out at what point in my life I ever gave a shit about no man’s sky…

    Did you reply to the wrong person or…?

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    • Graphine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Was replying to you, dude above, and everyone else.

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• avater@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  that’s your opinion. A lot of people have a lot of fun with bethesda games…

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• paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’d think Bethesda would notice what you claim to have.

  That’s the point.

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  • Cabrio@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No I wouldn’t think that, they’ve never acted in a manner that indicates that they have that capacity, why would I assume they do?

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    • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What a negative defeatist POV. A Bummer.

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      • Cabrio@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Objective reality doesn’t care about how you feel.

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• rambaroo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s the point of this comment? People are allowed to complain and criticize Bethesda for the things they seemingly refuse to improve on.

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