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Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Patriots care. We just don’t have a lot of them in office - most people are for sale.

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  • exanime@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Patriots” who are either too aloof to get involved or just become traitors along the way to power

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• mEEGal@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  since when is Bin Laden + a couple of goons the whole people of Saudi Arabia ?

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  • AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • anas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      they did say “the people”

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Saudi Arabia, the people who

        Yes, in reference to “Saudi Arabia”, which refers to their government

        I added the comma for clarification, but that’s what was said

        They didn’t say “the people of Saudi Arabia did 9/11”

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    • match@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it’s called synecdoche!

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    • Soleos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You forgot the part where Saudi Arabia started courting American aid and literally expelled Bin Laden for being anti-American. That doesn’t make SA “the good guys” but it makes a huge difference in how your framing paints SA’s position and involvement with Al Qaeda during the 2000s. During the war on terror, SA was much more aligned with the US against Al Qaeda and Bin Laden

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  • Denjin@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The international mujahadeen movement was born in Saudi Arabia; funded by Saudi Arabia; created out of a quasi death cult of islam called Wahabism founded in Saudi Arabia; bin Laden was a major figure in Saudi politics and society and from one of the richest, non-Royal families in the country; almost all the members of Al-Queda were Saudi.

    If Saudi foreign policy and money created the mujahadeen, then they are Saudi.

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    • Soleos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You forgot the part where Saudi Arabia started courting American aid and literally expelled Bin Laden for being anti-American. That doesn’t make SA “the good guys” but it makes a huge difference in how your framing paints SA’s position and involvement with Al Qaeda during the 2000s. Their history is long and complicated, but during the war on terror, SA was much more aligned with the US against Al Qaeda and Bin Laden

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      • Denjin@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Of course, it’s far too nuanced an issue to boil down in a couple of sentences but such is the nature of online discourse.

        I see Al quaeda and in a more general sense Sunni extremism as a whole as the child of Saudi Arabia. The bombing of the US Cole was probably the point when the Saudi regime realised that exporting Salafist Jihad abroad had bigger consequences than they intended (attack regional opponents like Israel and Iran) and that it was quickly getting out of control and so they attempted to distance themselves in case America and Britain turned around and cut off their military aid.

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    • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Source?

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