since when is Bin Laden + a couple of goons the whole people of Saudi Arabia ?
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Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Long before Israel, Americans been sending weapons to Saudi Arabia the people who took out the twin towers, and nobody seems to care.
mEEGal@lemmy.world 4 days ago
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Typically, when people refer to a country by name in this manner, such as “Saudi Arabia”, they are referring to the government/ruling class of that country, not the people as a whole.
anas@lemmy.world 3 days ago
they did say “the people”
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Saudi Arabia, the people who
Yes, in reference to “Saudi Arabia”, which refers to their government
I added the comma for clarification, but that’s what was said
They didn’t say “the people of Saudi Arabia did 9/11”
match@pawb.social 3 days ago
it’s called synecdoche!
Soleos@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You forgot the part where Saudi Arabia started courting American aid and literally expelled Bin Laden for being anti-American. That doesn’t make SA “the good guys” but it makes a huge difference in how your framing paints SA’s position and involvement with Al Qaeda during the 2000s. During the war on terror, SA was much more aligned with the US against Al Qaeda and Bin Laden
Denjin@lemmings.world 3 days ago
The international mujahadeen movement was born in Saudi Arabia; funded by Saudi Arabia; created out of a quasi death cult of islam called Wahabism founded in Saudi Arabia; bin Laden was a major figure in Saudi politics and society and from one of the richest, non-Royal families in the country; almost all the members of Al-Queda were Saudi.
If Saudi foreign policy and money created the mujahadeen, then they are Saudi.
Soleos@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You forgot the part where Saudi Arabia started courting American aid and literally expelled Bin Laden for being anti-American. That doesn’t make SA “the good guys” but it makes a huge difference in how your framing paints SA’s position and involvement with Al Qaeda during the 2000s. Their history is long and complicated, but during the war on terror, SA was much more aligned with the US against Al Qaeda and Bin Laden
Denjin@lemmings.world 3 days ago
Of course, it’s far too nuanced an issue to boil down in a couple of sentences but such is the nature of online discourse.
I see Al quaeda and in a more general sense Sunni extremism as a whole as the child of Saudi Arabia. The bombing of the US Cole was probably the point when the Saudi regime realised that exporting Salafist Jihad abroad had bigger consequences than they intended (attack regional opponents like Israel and Iran) and that it was quickly getting out of control and so they attempted to distance themselves in case America and Britain turned around and cut off their military aid.
naught101@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Source?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Patriots care. We just don’t have a lot of them in office - most people are for sale.
exanime@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“Patriots” who are either too aloof to get involved or just become traitors along the way to power