Not because of the content, but because of groups of men all reinforcing this behavior.
I genuinely know more women than men that act like this. I can’t say you’re entirely wrong about the problems with normalizing behaviour and the like, but simplifying it to “men are disgusting and know nothing of 'real, actual women” when real, actual women are sometimes equally disgusting is, well concerning.
This particular brand of behaviour is usually about rejection of social norms far more than it is ever about the objectification of women. People who have been rejected by society like to take back the power by rejecting the norms of that society.
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I haven’t seen it nearly this bad until this year. This is the worst year I’ve ever seen for it, and Hoyo games are by far the worst
It seems like it’s worse than that. I’ve seen people making extremely inappropriate comments about young characters. For example in Zenless Zone Zero subreddit, there are people that post pictures of the young characters that look like children, Piper and a few others that I don’t recall off the top of my head. But they are half naked and fan art of them in extremely suggestive positions. Borderline pedophilia but it’s a made up fictional character so they claim it doesn’t count and it’s perfectly fine. Such a strange view on reality
Poayjay@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not to disagree with anything you’re saying, but I hate the phrase “borderline pedophillia.” Either they’re sexualizing children or not. It’s like saying “non-consensual sex.” There’s no such thing. It’s rape or consensual sex.
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They hide behind the fact that character age isn’t expressly stated anywhere, so it’s technically not pedo behavior since it’s unknown what age it is. But me personally, I think they’re underage.
Example from Zenless subreddit. Piper is a character that looks like she’s anywhere from 10 to 15 years of age, and people are posting her half naked.
Here’s another post with a very one-sided discussion about NSFW art for characters who are clearly minors, in which the community basically downvotes anyone who tries to voice their opinion that creating erotica and other NSFW art for minors and adolescents is wrong. Truly disgusting behavior, and I’m in disbelief that there’s a gaming community out there today like this…
hisao@ani.social 2 months ago
Had a relevant conversation nearby recently: ani.social/post/5729640/6253725
hisao@ani.social 2 months ago
By the way, imagine how Piper Perry would look if she was drawn as anime character. Would you consider that extreme lolicon? She’s almost 30 y/o and that is absolutely legal even in real porn.
Carighan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s mostly down to a legal thing if I remember? And last time I read about it, related to a non-english language and in that case I have fuck all Idea how to judge whether splitting rape into two words for it makes sense or not. Sounds wrong to me, but I’m not someone to judge that.
But yeah other than that, agreed.
Jarix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There IS a difference between reality and fantasy. We see it all the time.
There is an actual fetish for consesual non consent aka rape fantasy/roleplay. If we allow that people routinely engage in fake rape, then why are you surprised if anything else is sexualized. People are weird.
But is it not just as disturbing to you when people glorify violence and gore such as the Saw franchise?
I do not understand the attraction to these things either, but I dont think its healthy to pretend that reality and fantasy cant be separated.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 months ago
and that’s the real issue I see, is that in inceldom, the line between fantasy and reality is so blurred that they don’t understand the social norms. If r*pe kink is your thing, and your partner and you like to do it, I think that’s fine. personally I don’t like it, but it’s you in your private home and it’s your thing, I’m not going to be the one to say not to.
The key though is that there’s a hard line between fantasy and reality, and if you start thinking that real, live women want that, that 's a huge red line you crossed, and same with most other things.
Idk, like you said people are weird, and we desperately try to fit them into boxes, and when it comes to sex that’s nearly impossible. The key is knowing that what you’re into at home is very different than what you do to real people. I’m rambling a bit, but consent is really the thing. Real people need to consent, unlike online fantasies.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Congrats for lasting this far. I quit the anime world years ago when it became clear that that shit was becoming the norm, and 95% of products specifically catered to that demographic.
Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
This, by far, was the biggest factor for me quitting anime, but also, it hasn’t evolved or changed at all since the 2000s. It’s all the same tired tropes and stereotypes. Throw in a few dashes of misogyny and bam, top anime apparently.
GreyCat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bold claim.