Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?

• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Their supposed support of LGBTQ+ is all for naught when they openly fawn after Stalin

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  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s much to learn from Stalin. But, advocating his authoritarian means is a bannable offense there just as they are in any meritable leftist forum. They tolerate a minority of revolutionaries ideologically leading the lumpen as it’s a historically very well-supoorted position. But, that doesn’t extend to physical force as that’s also a historically very well supported position.

    It’s much easier, convenient, and comfortable to demonized them than understand them. They even provided proactive assistance when many were deciding if they should defederate. They voted internally for defederation to defend their community from the medicrity of the masses.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If not enjoying the image posts of young Stalin as some sort of brilliant maverick is mediocrity, well, so be it. They are clowns, and their beliefs structure is just like trump claiming he “loves the gays”

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      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Young Stalin is where the good stuff is. It’s his implementation of those idealistic principles that’s unethical.

        The rest of what you’ve said is strawman. Most important is the implying that they’re all of one mind. Diversity of ideology is perhaps their greatest strength.

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  • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly what is with the comrade/them shit they do about? I thought it was ironic like they were making fun of neopronouns or they were the 4chan people who popularised them in the first place

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• 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

  Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

  F them and f you for defending them.

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  This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

  Above screenshot is from said thread.

  The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

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  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, please read what the admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

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  • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    though, to be fair, kulaks are bad.

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    • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      fuck off

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  • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric

    Perhaps now is the time.

    The kulaks were not an ethnic minority persecuted by the bolsheviks as a scapegoat for society’s ills. They were the economic class directly responsible for many of those ills. They were the capitalists of the peasantry, enclosing land and claiming ownership over what should have been the common means of production, precisely the kind of group that communists the world over want to destroy in order to liberate the majority of people.

    When it was written that the kulaks were to be “liquidated”, it did not mean that they were to be mass executed, it meant that their private property was to be moved into public ownership, ending the existence of the kulak class and making them into regular workers.

    As is the case in every single campaign of economic or social justice, the privileged class fought back with everything they had. Kulaks contributed to the Soviet Famine of 1930-1933 by mass slaughtering their cattle and burning their fields. Kulaks hoarded grain, took the wealth that they had stolen from their neighbors and fled the country, plotted sabotage and insurrection against the workers’ movement. And for those crimes, many Kulaks were caught and executed.

    So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.

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    • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Perhaps now is the time.

      No, Time for condoning class war and murder is never and nowhere.

      Go back to hexbear, you poor, uneducated, lying, bolshevik piece of shit.

      But thank you for showing anyone who may have not had an experience with you before what type of people you are.

      One can always count on that, you morona just can’t help yourself.

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      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you don’t condone class war, then you are by necessity endorsing the current system. The current system which kills far, far more innocent people than any class war ever could, you lying, capitalist piece of shit.

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your portrayal of them just being made into regular peasants seems to me viewing the whole affair with more than rose colored glasses.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

      All kulaks were assigned to one of three categories:[4]
      Those to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police. Those to be sent to Siberia, the North, the Urals, or Kazakhstan, after confiscation of their property. Those to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.

      By most people’s reckoning in most of planet earth they stole the lawfully earned property of kulaks and either murdered them or otherwise destroyed their lives. Treating them worse than most developed nations treat burglars and thieves.

      If someone shot your grandpa and your uncle, send half your people to Siberia to die out there, and sent the other half to prison locally of course you would flee with whatever you could carry and of course you would at that point be an enemy of the regime that destroyed your life.

      So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.

      I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.

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      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        All kulaks were assigned to one of three categories:[4]

        Source four on this wikipedia article is Robert Conquest, an antihistorical Cold Warrior if there ever was one - and most of the rest of that article doesn’t even do the courtesy of citing a hack. It’s just section after section of “this section has no sources”, who wrote this garbage?

        I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.

        Slaveowners were “just participating lawfully in society” too. Society sanctions a lot of incredibly damaging and amoral behavior, and when the repressed take power there is no reason why they should be expected to give their oppressors a pass just because it was legal at the time.

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    • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      🤭

      You guys don’t even hide it anymore. You’re openly advocating for brutal police regimes. The jokes write themselves. Convenient.

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      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Equality has never in the history of our species been given freely by the ruling class to the workers. It has always been taken after violent struggle, and after the initial struggle is over the working class must be willing to defend their gains else they will lose them.

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      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You don’t get to call directing state power against the petite bourgeoisie a brutal police regime when your government is supporting the most brutal dictatorships in Africa, whose violence is directed at the working class.

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• mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷

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  • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Coming up with theory in an echo chamber isn’t hard.

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    • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and how they kept being able to back it up?

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      • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s the whole point of an echo chamber yes. You can say whatever you want without being challenged by other viewpoints and make anything seem plausible.

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      • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s surprisingly easy to backup horrible ideas, but that shouldn’t be your only concern. You also need to think about the morals and what happened last time it was tried.

        The ends do not justify the means. The means are the ends.

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• would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

  I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?

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  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The best example I’ve experienced online is hexbear’s process to derive forum ruleset with respect to their minority of GLBTQ+. The consensus was that many understood and that those that did not would follow in faith, assuming that they would soon understand. The second best online example was the GME subreddits’ cultural response to initial scaling. The consensus was that each should individually choose and the collective’s purpose was to educate, this strengthening individual wisdom.

    But, my guidance would be to first pursue such things in real life. A leftist’s best work is almost always grassroots local.

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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Notable struggle sessions:

    Pronouns End result: Transphobes outed themselves and were purged)

    Veganism End result: Vegans who couldn’t be civil and anti-vegans using indigenous people as a shield were purged, CWs were required for meat, vegans generally chilled out

    Stacking rocks End result: White guys using indigenous tribes they aren’t a part of as a shield were heavily mocked)

    Outdoor Cats End result: outdoor cats bad

    AES countries End result: For each country, there are/have been significant issues, but nearly every western criticism is worthless due to being false or ignoring the historical context.

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  • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I also haven’t seen this but it seems to make fun of the authoritarian excesses in Mao’s China (struggle session).

    The Three Body Problem show features this, leading a character to go mad and wanting to destroy humanity.

    The funny thing is that this post is sort of a struggle session, an attempt to build consensus against socialists.

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    • TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it’s not really making fun of it, more just a tongue in cheek joke about large arguments

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• TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i don’t think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy’s code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

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  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t think they really helped with the financing

    All the computational resources the users tested the code base on must’ve been free.

    I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

    Identity politics from .ml?

    If you’re surprised at such small acts of individual praxis, you’d be amazed at what we’ve accomplished in groups.

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    • TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All the computational resources the users tested the code base on must’ve been free.

      fair enough I just think of direct monetary donations or something when I see financing like that but looking at like that isn’t incorrect

      Identity politics from .ml?

      I mean kinda? I normally expect people who hold sympathies towards hexbear to use an account on like lemm.ee so they don’t have to use more than one account to browse everything they want to see

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      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        when I see financing like that but looking at like that isn’t incorrect

        None of the devs got paid. There are no other expenses.

        I normally expect people who hold sympathies towards hexbear to use an account on like lemm.ee so they don’t have to use more than one account to browse everything they want to see

        You expect the convenient implementation of MLK’s white moderate. But, my content should give no indication of that stereotype.

        I’ll answer your previous question: I’ve personal accounts on world, ee, ml, and hexbear. The fediverse doesn’t limit viewing content from multiple accounts concurrently. One must only choose an account to post. The only obstacle to such a tool is a means to avoid burdening the fediverse with duplicate responses. We solved that problem in a few hours.

        If you want actual insight communicated properly then you should ask in the correct venue. For example, I’d have no issue explaining in nuance on hexbear because the majority has a strong understanding or conversion of theory to praxis. I’m not even needed. Others would adequately explain on my behalf.

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• FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

  It’s just tankie 4chan

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  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hello, low effort neolib troll. Thanks for the opportunity to continue to speak truth.

    There’s a cultural similarity to what 4-chan was prior to the LOIC. But, they’re definitely not tankies. Sincere expressions of authoritarian means are soundly defeated and unusually result in permabans. The principle and practice is consistent for MAGA, neolibs, and authoritarians.

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    • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Definitely not a neolib, but I’m glad we agree about the similarities of Nazbear with 4chan

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      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Definitely not a neolib

        Language analysis of your post history says differently. If you’re not a neolib troll then perhaps you should stop presenting as such.

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