They were banned when reddit cracked down on any leftist thought, not because they were especially bad from what I saw.
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Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.
fern@lemmy.autism.place 1 week ago
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.
fern@lemmy.autism.place 1 week ago
I do remember that, and I remember them half-assing the Donald by just letting them make a new sub (or overrun conspiracy irrc)
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Yeah they immediately took over Conspiracy and consolidated the hold on Conservative. Made me really sad as conspiracy used to have some incredible rabbit hole posts. Then one day it was just TD all over again.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 1 week ago
The_Donald was dead amd had migrated to a non-reddit forum a month before the ban. It was typical “both sides” bullshit from a dude who always uses the kiddy gloves with fascists while throwing the book at any leftists
TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
They were banned while saying John Brown did nothing wrong and that slaveowners deserve to die.
Sounds pretty cool to me.
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
While true there was a lot more behind the decision than that final post. They had been fighting with the admins for a long time.
Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 week ago
No, The Donald was encouraging political violence and was becoming a legal liability for Reddit to continue hosting. But they needed to ban a major left wing subreddit at the same time to do a “both sides bad” thing and preempt the fascist talking points about social media having a liberal bias.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
The Donald had largely abandoned the sub well before it was banned though.
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Largely because they moved to different subs.
The Chapo crew didn’t want to calm down with all the threats of violence and other ridiculous antics. So they left completely.
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.
As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
But, perhaps the part I love most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.
Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I ficking love them for it.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Their supposed support of LGBTQ+ is all for naught when they openly fawn after Stalin
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There’s much to learn from Stalin. But, advocating his authoritarian means is a bannable offense there just as they are in any meritable leftist forum. They tolerate a minority of revolutionaries ideologically leading the lumpen as it’s a historically very well-supoorted position. But, that doesn’t extend to physical force as that’s also a historically very well supported position.
It’s much easier, convenient, and comfortable to demonized them than understand them. They even provided proactive assistance when many were deciding if they should defederate. They voted internally for defederation to defend their community from the medicrity of the masses.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 week ago
If not enjoying the image posts of young Stalin as some sort of brilliant maverick is mediocrity, well, so be it. They are clowns, and their beliefs structure is just like trump claiming he “loves the gays”
flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Honestly what is with the comrade/them shit they do about? I thought it was ironic like they were making fun of neopronouns or they were the 4chan people who popularised them in the first place
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.
F them and f you for defending them.
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This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.
Above screenshot is from said thread.
The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!
lemm.ee/post/4543536
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Yes, please read what the admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.
Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 week ago
though, to be fair, kulaks are bad.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 week ago
fuck off
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Perhaps now is the time.
The kulaks were not an ethnic minority persecuted by the bolsheviks as a scapegoat for society’s ills. They were the economic class directly responsible for many of those ills. They were the capitalists of the peasantry, enclosing land and claiming ownership over what should have been the common means of production, precisely the kind of group that communists the world over want to destroy in order to liberate the majority of people.
When it was written that the kulaks were to be “liquidated”, it did not mean that they were to be mass executed, it meant that their private property was to be moved into public ownership, ending the existence of the kulak class and making them into regular workers.
As is the case in every single campaign of economic or social justice, the privileged class fought back with everything they had. Kulaks contributed to the Soviet Famine of 1930-1933 by mass slaughtering their cattle and burning their fields. Kulaks hoarded grain, took the wealth that they had stolen from their neighbors and fled the country, plotted sabotage and insurrection against the workers’ movement. And for those crimes, many Kulaks were caught and executed.
So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 week ago
No, Time for condoning class war and murder is never and nowhere.
Go back to hexbear, you poor, uneducated, lying, bolshevik piece of shit.
But thank you for showing anyone who may have not had an experience with you before what type of people you are.
One can always count on that, you morona just can’t help yourself.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Your portrayal of them just being made into regular peasants seems to me viewing the whole affair with more than rose colored glasses.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
By most people’s reckoning in most of planet earth they stole the lawfully earned property of kulaks and either murdered them or otherwise destroyed their lives. Treating them worse than most developed nations treat burglars and thieves.
If someone shot your grandpa and your uncle, send half your people to Siberia to die out there, and sent the other half to prison locally of course you would flee with whatever you could carry and of course you would at that point be an enemy of the regime that destroyed your life.
I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
🤭
You guys don’t even hide it anymore. You’re openly advocating for brutal police regimes. The jokes write themselves. Convenient.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Coming up with theory in an echo chamber isn’t hard.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 week ago
and how they kept being able to back it up?
would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The best example I’ve experienced online is hexbear’s process to derive forum ruleset with respect to their minority of GLBTQ+. The consensus was that many understood and that those that did not would follow in faith, assuming that they would soon understand. The second best online example was the GME subreddits’ cultural response to initial scaling. The consensus was that each should individually choose and the collective’s purpose was to educate, this strengthening individual wisdom.
But, my guidance would be to first pursue such things in real life. A leftist’s best work is almost always grassroots local.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Notable struggle sessions:
Pronouns End result: Transphobes outed themselves and were purged)
Veganism End result: Vegans who couldn’t be civil and anti-vegans using indigenous people as a shield were purged, CWs were required for meat, vegans generally chilled out
Stacking rocks End result: White guys using indigenous tribes they aren’t a part of as a shield were heavily mocked)
Outdoor Cats End result: outdoor cats bad
AES countries End result: For each country, there are/have been significant issues, but nearly every western criticism is worthless due to being false or ignoring the historical context.
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I also haven’t seen this but it seems to make fun of the authoritarian excesses in Mao’s China (struggle session).
The Three Body Problem show features this, leading a character to go mad and wanting to destroy humanity.
The funny thing is that this post is sort of a struggle session, an attempt to build consensus against socialists.
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
it’s not really making fun of it, more just a tongue in cheek joke about large arguments
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
i don’t think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy’s code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
All the computational resources the users tested the code base on must’ve been free.
Identity politics from .ml?
If you’re surprised at such small acts of individual praxis, you’d be amazed at what we’ve accomplished in groups.
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
fair enough I just think of direct monetary donations or something when I see financing like that but looking at like that isn’t incorrect
I mean kinda? I normally expect people who hold sympathies towards hexbear to use an account on like lemm.ee so they don’t have to use more than one account to browse everything they want to see
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
It’s just tankie 4chan
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Hello, low effort neolib troll. Thanks for the opportunity to continue to speak truth.
There’s a cultural similarity to what 4-chan was prior to the LOIC. But, they’re definitely not tankies. Sincere expressions of authoritarian means are soundly defeated and unusually result in permabans. The principle and practice is consistent for MAGA, neolibs, and authoritarians.
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Definitely not a neolib, but I’m glad we agree about the similarities of Nazbear with 4chan