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• naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I like to give people questions to ponder and explore. I think my arguments are very clear from the questions I have raised. Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing. Particularly the egregious conditions in which we raise our “meat”. This isn’t even considering the horrible conditions that humans suffer working in and around the meat industry.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like to give people questions to ponder and explore.

    if you don’t wan to construct an argument that’s fine, but the socratic method isn’t terribly convincing for me and many others.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can’t appreciate a philosophical argument on a philosophical issue? I suppose that can be valid. It seems to me you don’t want to consider the ideas I have raised in good faith

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        i’m willing to consider a fully formed argument. i’m not willing to be pestered by an endless interrogation.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing.

    can you support this claim?

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    • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s obviously no way to prove this sort of statement, however every conscious being I’ve asked has told me they don’t like suffering. Additionally, almost all conscious beings specifically go out of their way to avoid suffering. I personally find this evidence sufficiently convincing.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        but pain in and of itself isn’t bad. it can be justified or unjustified.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?

        i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.

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