Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it’s not clear that animal suffering is a negative.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Would you kick a dog in the street? Shoot a cat with a bb gun? These are things that happen with frequency, but I wouldn’t do because I think that causing pain to another animal, senselessly, is a bad thing.

      Would you raise a chicken in complete darkness for its whole life? Would you raise a cow in a suffocatingly small pen among its excrement? Impregnate a cow constantly and steal its babies away for meat so you can continue to milk it until it dies? Animals feel pain. They communicate, they suffer, they mourn.

      If you can supply an argument that causing suffering of innocent animals is good/doesn’t matter, I’m all ears.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you can supply an argument that causing suffering … is good/doesn’t matter

        sure. battlefield amputations cause suffering. sometimes it saves a life. it’s good.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you can supply an argument that causing suffering of innocent animals is good/doesn’t matter, I’m all ears.

        “innocent” here is an appeal to emotion, since we don’t regard non-human animals as moral agents.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Would you kick a dog in the street? Shoot a cat with a bb gun?

        no. these are cruel. practicing cruelty toward animals may create a habit, and end with practicing cruelty toward people, which would be immoral. it is best not to practice cruelty at all.

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