Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• benignintervention@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is precisely the circlejerking mentioned in the meme. Whether true or not, the community presents itself as unwelcoming and self-aggrandizing. These are not traits that easily convince people to listen to the cause.

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  • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s nothing to listen to, either you believe animal ag is horrendous and unethical and act on it or you don’t. That’s it. No pretty pleases are going to convince someone they have to give up their beloved steak and cheese for nothing in return.

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    • benignintervention@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then why are you trying so hard to explain yourself?

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      • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why are you so smug while plugging your ears and kicking your feet? Would you kill the animals you eat with your own two hands? I doubt that most would. We’re so far removed from the horrific violence of the industry and so inundated with farmed meat that people don’t even register what it actually is anymore. This isn’t even to mention that animal meat is carcinogenic, particularly in the amounts we eat. We don’t have a problem with people being anti-smoking or anti-violence, but as soon as “loud annoying” vegan asks you to reflect on the environment, people’s health, or the nightmarish violence we inflict on farmed animals, it’s absolute pandemonium from the meat eaters.

        IMO most don’t/won’t want to deal with the cognitive dissonance.

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    • Aphelion@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right, we get it, but if you tried attracting people to veganism with amazing recipes, and annecdotes of how much healthier you feel, people might come have a conversation and try making some vegan food. Instead these communities drive anyone non-vegan right out the door.

      What’s the expression? Honey will catch more flies?

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      • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Reformism doesn’t work. People that are vegan because it’s “actually really good food” or looking for applause for “saving the planet” stop being vegan once it becomes too inconvenient. Because their mindset is that they are doing something good and you can stop doing good things or balance them out with other good deeds and there is an inherent expectation of a reward for being good.

        Not supporting slavery and murder however should be the norm, not something that feels like a burden. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can’t accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won’t accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their child. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren’t interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. This isn’t a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.

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• prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well this has been great, thanks for being the point.

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  • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    good talk nice representation, really convinced me to be nicer to corpsemunchers going forward.

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    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey, asshole, you’ve been an idiot the whole time on top of being a huge asshole

      The person didn’t say “Id go vegan but they’re assholes”, they said they’d not participate in a community with you dumbasses because of the behaviour people like you participate in

      Also your insults suck and make people sound cool as fuck

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      • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hey maybe if you people would be NICER to me I would entertain the thought that I was in the wrong

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    • Mjpasta710@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re a breatharian? No corpse munching from you.

      Are you pure enough that you feed the bacteria in your mouth?

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      while i think you are actually starting to violate community rules here, i just wanna say i think your conduct up to this point has been fine.

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• mods_mum@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You must be exhausting to be around. sheesh

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs “special” catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won’t last.

  this should be on a billboard.

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