Having a reasonable discussion with these people is like trying to play a game of chess with a pigeon. They’ll topple all the pieces, shit on the board and claim victory.
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prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks agoSee here’s what’s really really funny, people over and over again say “man if the vegan people who were trying to convince me could just not be gigantic assholes about it then maybe it would be easier to join their community”
And then you come along and are a gigantic asshole about it and prove the entire point.
Super solid representation, 5/7, perfection.
mods_mum@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Gonna copy large chunks of my last comment because no ones there to stop me.
This isn’t a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. Not supporting slavery and murder should be the norm, not something that needs to be argued for at length. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can’t accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won’t accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their child. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren’t interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. It’s a horrific injustice and we will talk about it as such. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
this is pretty much just appeal to emotion.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Here is another one: That meat on your plate comes from an animal that could feel. It had a whole life full of feelings and dreams. It might’ve liked some food but disliked other, it probably had friends, it had a mom and a dad, it was loved. Then they killed it, shipped it, you cooked it and ate it.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
thing is, it’s a philosophy of empathy and compassion. you don’t really join a.commmunity. there are no V cards I’m afraid.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This discussion is literally about the vegan community here on Lemmy
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I thought it was more about abuse.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
If you need people to be nice to you to convince you, you care more about appearances than the argument. If people being rude stops you from acting on something you actually believe in you won’t last a month as a vegan.
Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs “special” catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won’t last.
The first lesson every vegan needs to learn is: there are no rewards and no one will compliment you. You are doing this out of your own conviction and not for anyone else.
benignintervention@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is precisely the circlejerking mentioned in the meme. Whether true or not, the community presents itself as unwelcoming and self-aggrandizing. These are not traits that easily convince people to listen to the cause.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
There’s nothing to listen to, either you believe animal ag is horrendous and unethical and act on it or you don’t. That’s it. No pretty pleases are going to convince someone they have to give up their beloved steak and cheese for nothing in return.
benignintervention@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then why are you trying so hard to explain yourself?
Aphelion@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Right, we get it, but if you tried attracting people to veganism with amazing recipes, and annecdotes of how much healthier you feel, people might come have a conversation and try making some vegan food. Instead these communities drive anyone non-vegan right out the door.
What’s the expression? Honey will catch more flies?
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well this has been great, thanks for being the point.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
good talk nice representation, really convinced me to be nicer to corpsemunchers going forward.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Hey, asshole, you’ve been an idiot the whole time on top of being a huge asshole
The person didn’t say “Id go vegan but they’re assholes”, they said they’d not participate in a community with you dumbasses because of the behaviour people like you participate in
Also your insults suck and make people sound cool as fuck
Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
You’re a breatharian? No corpse munching from you.
Are you pure enough that you feed the bacteria in your mouth?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
while i think you are actually starting to violate community rules here, i just wanna say i think your conduct up to this point has been fine.
mods_mum@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
You must be exhausting to be around. sheesh
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
this should be on a billboard.