Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  See here’s what’s really really funny, people over and over again say “man if the vegan people who were trying to convince me could just not be gigantic assholes about it then maybe it would be easier to join their community”

  And then you come along and are a gigantic asshole about it and prove the entire point.

  Super solid representation, 5/7, perfection.

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  • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you need people to be nice to you to convince you, you care more about appearances than the argument. If people being rude stops you from acting on something you actually believe in you won’t last a month as a vegan.

    Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs “special” catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won’t last.

    The first lesson every vegan needs to learn is: there are no rewards and no one will compliment you. You are doing this out of your own conviction and not for anyone else.

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    • benignintervention@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is precisely the circlejerking mentioned in the meme. Whether true or not, the community presents itself as unwelcoming and self-aggrandizing. These are not traits that easily convince people to listen to the cause.

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      • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There’s nothing to listen to, either you believe animal ag is horrendous and unethical and act on it or you don’t. That’s it. No pretty pleases are going to convince someone they have to give up their beloved steak and cheese for nothing in return.

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    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well this has been great, thanks for being the point.

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      • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        good talk nice representation, really convinced me to be nicer to corpsemunchers going forward.

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    • mods_mum@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You must be exhausting to be around. sheesh

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs “special” catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won’t last.

      this should be on a billboard.

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  • mods_mum@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having a reasonable discussion with these people is like trying to play a game of chess with a pigeon. They’ll topple all the pieces, shit on the board and claim victory.

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    • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Gonna copy large chunks of my last comment because no ones there to stop me.

      This isn’t a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. Not supporting slavery and murder should be the norm, not something that needs to be argued for at length. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can’t accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won’t accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their child. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren’t interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. It’s a horrific injustice and we will talk about it as such. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        this is pretty much just appeal to emotion.

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  • davepleasebehave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    thing is, it’s a philosophy of empathy and compassion. you don’t really join a.commmunity. there are no V cards I’m afraid.

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    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This discussion is literally about the vegan community here on Lemmy

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      • davepleasebehave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I thought it was more about abuse.

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• IzzyJ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If belligerent internet comments actually convinced you to change your diet in such an inconvenient manner for no reward but moral superiority, you are not like the people you’re trying to convince. Abusers and cults love bomb because its more effective on a random sample of people

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  • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If one believes that the mother losing her newborn cries about it for days and that this is happening happens on an industrial scale that person will be very indignant about such a horrific injustice. That’s what convinced me, this is a real injustice and not being angry about it would be insincere

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    • IzzyJ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Convincing people to be ethical past the point of inconvenience requires insincerity, yes. The average person is a horrible human being

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