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• Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Libertarianism is a right-wing ideology though, it’s pro corporate deregulation and lasseiz-faire capitalism. If you’re pro individual freedom, but opposed to right-wing ideas then the closest thing you can be is an Anarchist.

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  • FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cali is correct.

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    • John_McMurray@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No. Fascism is right wing. Corporate deregulation and laissez faire capitalism are not what fascists allow

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      • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are more than 1 right wing ideologies.

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  • John_McMurray@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Neither of those concepts are right wing.

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    • diskmaster23@lemmy.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All of it is capitalism, aka right-wing.

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• zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s all about individual freedom until you start asking libertarians about the rights of kids and contractual indentured servitude.

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  • jdeath@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    but almost no two libertarians will agree about those things. if you think there is only one “blessed” or accepted viewpoint on those topics, you’ve been duped.

    for example on the rights of kids. there will be somebody who will argue they fully own themselves and parents are never allowed to hit children or otherwise harm them. then there will be some idiot who argues that because babies are helpless and the parents made it, that the parents “own” the child until some point and can do what they want with it. other libertarians will have even more differing viewpoints.

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    • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think having a diversity in viewpoints on whether kids have rights is something to celebrate.

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• LukeZaz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know if libertarianism courts a different audience in Brazil, but in the U.S. it has a very rabidly right-wing audience who effectively want to tear down as much government as possible, and who view “your freedom ends at my face” as an insult. It’s the ideology of an extraordinarily unregulated market – a true “free market” – which is a monopolistic and wildly unethical disaster waiting to happen.

  Anarcho-capitalism, which your username references, is all of that, only more. So you might understand why effectively everyone here is going to treat that with extreme suspicion.

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  • pipows@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    who effectively want to tear down as much government as possible, […]. It’s the ideology of an extraordinarily unregulated market – a true “free market”

    I agree with that.

    which is a monopolistic and wildly unethical disaster waiting to happen.

    I obviously don’t agree with that. Monopolies depend on the government to exist. I will not elaborate further because I’m not feeling like arguing with strangers on the internet today

    who view “your freedom ends at my face” as an insult

    I really don’t know what that means

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    • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Monopolies depend on the government to exist.

      I won’t bother with the rest, but this is flat-out false. Unregulated capitalism is responsible for unethical practices such as buying out your competitors, price-fixing, waiting-out your competitors (because they can’t match your unrealistically low price), insider-trading, exploiting a captive audience, and only competing in “territories” (you know, like drug dealers).

      I can’t speak globally, but all the worst monopolies engaged in at least one of these. The US is far from perfect, but they squashed several giant monopolies because of practices like this. Corporations without guardrails are unrestrained greed.

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      • jdeath@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        a monopoly patent was literally a government invention. an actual monopoly does require the government. what you are talking about is called a “natural monopoly” in the literature. that would be a situation where there’s only one seller for something like say water in a desert town. in that case you can have price gouging and such.

        now, the important bit is the LEGAL ability to prevent competition. if there is a natural monopoly on water, and the seller decided to start charging obscene amounts for water, those extreme profits would normally induce other sellers to enter the market. **except when they are legally prohibited **, we can expect that a natural monopoly will not last if what we call “monopoly rents” are extracted.

        so you see, a true monopoly requires legal force, eg the state.

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    • LukeZaz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Monopolies depend on the government to exist.

      I very much disagree but respect a desire to not get into a debate, so I’ll leave it there.

      I really don’t know what that means

      “Your freedom ends at my face” is a saying used often here to contend with right-wing group’s insistence on “freedom,” often the kind that involves harming others; e.g. free speech absolutism and the “freedom” to spout neo-Nazi rhetoric that advocates for the murder of minorities, or the “freedom” to not get vaccinated and thus worsen a pandemic. A more full version might be “Your freedom to throw a punch ends where my face begins.”

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• arthur@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, that can be different in other places. From a brazilian perspective, there is no “left” on US mainstream politics. There is only fascist-right, conservative right and center-right.

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• John_McMurray@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • JayTreeman@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ‘Libertarianism isn’t right wing in one country because it’s a magic country where the corporate owned media has brainwashed me to not understanding what actual left wing thought is , and that it has a centuries long history, but I’ll completely ignore that because learning is hard’

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    • John_McMurray@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I did. This is the conclusion.

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