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PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• gigachad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I guess that is also a shortcoming of the left/right scale. Al Jazeera is super popular among leftists on Lemmy, as they do a lot of Anti-Israel propaganda.

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It is not propaganda if it is true. Al Jazeera has journalists on the ground and many of them have been killed by Israeli forces.

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    • gigachad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The term propaganda makes no implications about true or false. This is not a discussion about truth but bias. Propaganda is when you push your political propaganda using communicative methods like loaded language.

      News agencies like Al Jazeera do exactly this. This is not unexpected as it sits in Qatar and wants to be the mouthpiece of the arab world. Saying they do propaganda is not a bad thing per se, but readers should be aware of this.

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    • Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It is not propaganda if it is true.

      Something can be true and propaganda. If reporting is misrepresenting a situation using purely true information and events, then it’s propaganda. It’s misrepresentation that makes something propaganda, not truthfulness.

      Note: This is not a comment on whether I think Lemmy/Al Jazeera is doing propaganda.

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    • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They can report only one side over and over again and focus on the emotional impact, include “people say” or qualify rumors or speculations or exaggerations so that it’s still factual reporting, while completely ignore the other side. That is what you see Israel and US MSM doing. Humans have biases and can easily be manipulated.

      I suspect that Al Jazeera is still mostly on it’s “best behavior” trying to establish itself but ultimately it’s controlled by Quatar and not free. That still makes it incredibly valuable because it’s not controlled by US empire.

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    • Snowflake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Shows here they have Hamas terrorists working for them, someone who allegedly participated in the October 7th attack

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      • OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Your link states Israel says they’re a Hamas operative. Al Jazeera says that isn’t true.

        I’m gonna err on the side of the journalists that Israel is actively targeting instead.

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• GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The Al Jazeera and Fox News comparison is why I don’t trust that site. I don’t think Al Jazeera isn’t a biased organization, but I do consider them somewhat factual. I also think I’m not the only one because you often see people linking to Al Jazeera. However when it comes to Fox News I think most people would agree that Fox news is far from accurate. It’s not exactly Newsmax, but if someone linked Fox News I think most people would definitely question the facts of the article.

  And then we get to mediabiasfactcheck where Al Jazeera is considered just as factual as Fox News. It’s one of those situations where you have to question who exactly is in the wrong? Is Al Jazeera really that factually incorrect? Is Fox news more factual than people believe? Or is mediabiasfactcheck wrong? I’m not against being wrong but from my years of being on the web I’d say it’s the last option.

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I understand that Fox News has so many subsidiaries that might be muddying the “overall” rating. But I agree with you. I’d trust Al Jazeera over Fox News any day.

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• Resol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  They had a children’s channel that unfortunately no longer exists. I was lucky enough to watch it when I had the chance.

  Yes, it was THAT Al Jazeera.

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I didn’t know that. You are not thinking of Spacetoon by neighboring Bahrain? The two countries 🇧🇭🇶🇦 can get easily confused. If Al Jazeera did have a kids channel it is news to me.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, it’s not Spacetoon. Everyone and their dog knows that by this point.

      Just put jcctv.net in the Wayback Machine (find an archive before 29 March 2013) and you’ll see what I mean.

      I believe Baraem was one of its sister channels?

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      • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        TIL, thanks

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