Honestly they should go back to calling useful applications ML (that is what it is) since AI is getting such a bad rap.
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Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Ok, I’ll concede. Finally a good use for AI. Fuck cancer.
blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 4 months ago
0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
machine learning is a type of AI. scifi movies just misused the term and now the startups are riding the hype trains. AGI =/= AI. there’s lots of stuff to complain about with ai these days like stable diffusion image generation and LLMs, but the fact that they are AI is simply true.
blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean it’s entirely an arbitrary distinction. AI, for a very long time before chatGPT, meant something like AGI. we didn’t call classification models ‘intelligent’ because it didn’t have any human-like characteristics. It’s as silly as saying a regression model is AI. They aren’t intelligent things.
medgremlin@midwest.social 4 months ago
I once had ideas about building a machine learning program to assist workflows in Emergency Departments, and its’ training data would be entirely generated by the specific ER it’s deployed in. Because of differences in populations, the data is not always readily transferable between departments.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s got a decent chunk of good uses. It’s just that none of those are going to make anyone a huge ton of money, so they don’t have a hype cycle attached. I can’t wait until the grifters get out and the hype cycle falls away, so we can actually get back to using it for what it’s good at and not shoving it indiscriminately into everything.
bluewing@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The hypesters and grifters do not prevent AI from being used for truly valuable things even now. In fact medical uses will be one of those things that WILL keep AI from just fading away.
Just look at those marketing wankers as a cherry on the top that you didn’t want or need.
medgremlin@midwest.social 4 months ago
People just need to understand that the true medical uses are as tools for physicians, not “replacements” for physicians.
bluewing@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I think the vast majority of people understand that already. They don’t understand just what all those gadgets are for anyway. Medicine is largely a ''blackbox" or magical process anyway.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean, yeah, except that the unnecessary applications are all the corporations are paying anyone to do these days. When the hype flies around like this, the C-suite starts trying to micromanage the product team’s roadmap. Once it dies down, they let us get back to work.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Also, for GPU prices to come down. Right now the AI garbage is eating a lot of the GPU production, as well as wasting a ton of energy.
Tja@programming.dev 4 months ago
Yeah, fuck that detecting cancer crap, I want to game!
Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
You missed that we were talking about the useless AI garbage, didn’t you? I guess humans can also put out garbage…
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
GPU price hikes are causing problems outside of the gaming industry, too. Imaging, scientific research, astronomy…
Tja@programming.dev 4 months ago
Those are going to make a ton of money for a lot of people. Every 1% fuel efficiency gained, every second saved in an industrial process, it’s hundreds of millions of dollars.
You don’t need AI in your fridge or in your snickers, that will (hopefully) die off, but AI is not going away where it matters.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Well, AI has been in those places for a while. The hype cycle is around generative AI which just isn’t useful for that type of thing.
Tja@programming.dev 4 months ago
I’m sure if Nvidia, AMD, Apple and Co create npus or tpus for Gen ai they can also be used for those places, thus improving them along.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Right, but not any one person. The people running the hype train want to be that one person, but the real uses just aren’t going to be something you can exclusively monetize.
Tja@programming.dev 4 months ago
Depends how you define “a ton” of money. Plenty of startups have been acquired for silly amounts of money, plenty of consultants are making bank, make executives are cashing big bonuses for successful improvements using AI…
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A cure for cancer, if it can be literally nipped in the bud, seems like a possible money-maker to me.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
It’s a money saver, so it’s profit model is all wonky.
A hospital, as a business, will make more money treating cancer than it will doing a mammogram and having a computer identify issues for preventative treatment.
A hospital, as a place that helps people, will still want to use these scans widely because “ignoring preventative care to profit off long term treatment” is a bit too “mask off” even for the US healthcare system and doctors would quit.
Insurance companies, however, would pay just shy of the cost of treatment to avoid paying for treatment.
So the cost will rise to be the cost of treatment times the incidence rate, scaled to the likelihood the scan catches something, plus system costs and staff costs.
In a sane system, we’d pass a law saying capable facilities must provide preventative screenings at cost where there’s a reasonable chance the scan would provide meaningful information and have the government pay the bill. Everyone’s happy except people who view healthcare as an investment opportunity.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I believe this idea was generally debunked a little while ago; to wit, the profit margin on cancer care just isn’t as big (you have to pay a lot of doctors) as the profit margin on mammograms. Moreover, you’re less likely to actually get paid the later you identify it (because end-of-life care costs for the deceased tend to get settled rather than being paid).
I’ll come back and drop the article link here, if I can find it.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s not what this is, though. This is early detection, which is awesome and super helpful, but way less game-changing than an actual cure.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s not a cure in itself, but isn’t early detection a good way to catch it early and in many cases kill it before it spreads?