Comment on My cat just came home smelling like weed. What should I do?
EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 months agoSo, aside from your vagaries of comparative toxopharmacology which sound smart, but have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, and a couple of vague citations from ChatGPT that basically say that the animals got high and were taken to be monitored when exposed to very high doses, you don’t actually have any evidence to support your claims that it’s “toxic”, which you directly admit.
In fact, the evidence you posted supports my claims that it behaves pretty much the same way it does in humans, aside from the fact that dosages should be adjusted for the body weight of a cat.
So, yeah
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ll pretend your choice of words isn’t low-key confrontational and dismissive like every other comment on this site. I also hope that you’re replying in good faith and not just mocking me because you’re clinging to what you want to believe, and that I’m not the anti-pot boogeyman for replying with what you asked.
But I have some questions.
How are the pharmacokinetics not relevant to the conversation? Maybe to someone who knows pharma. But for everyone else, this is the context needed to realize how vastly different metabolic and physiological differences affect other species so that they don’t mistake thinking that “ultra-mega-concentrates” like you said are the only way to cause harm because that’s how humans behave. That tells me that you either don’t know much pharma or you’re vastly underplaying the effects, so I had to reel it in.
Also, just because I asked Consensus doesn’t devalue the research. Everything links back to the abstracts so please focus on those or link to your own. I know AI hate is wild here but, in this case, it’s accurate.
One of the hallmarks of drug poisoning is literally breathing suppression and hypothermia. When was the last time you felt that smoking pot? Are these symptoms not valid, do you have some other insight, or what’s going on?
And how will you do that? There’s no therapeutic index. Not a single longitudinal study of cannabis consumption exists for pets to say that a few blows in their face won’t cause long-lasting harm. You’re gambling your cat’s health. As they say, lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. The first case is a great example of a cat showing extended periods of altered behavior far longer than they last in a human. It’s one night of rest for you vs two weeks of recovery for that cat at the vet, and that’s just an acute intoxication.
And I will add that I find it ironic that you demand evidence but simultaneously expose your pets despite the evidence and lack thereof.
Senal@programming.dev 4 months ago
So, two things unrelated to the actual topic being discussed.
It’s entirely possible to be correct and do it in such a way that invites confrontation and dismissal.
If it seems like everyone apart from you is confrontational and dismissive, perhaps it’s time to consider additional perspectives on why that might be happening.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It doesn’t escape me, but what part of what I’ve said has invited confrontation or dismissal? I’m asking honestly. It’s grating that it keeps happening and I keep telling people to stop. It’s frequent enough that I can see a pattern of people starting some argument trying to win instead of clarifying what is being said and why.
Meaning what, it’s also me? lol If I’m the one telling people to stop and act like adults and that gets 180° turns in behavior, what does that say to you?
sh__@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s kind of baffling they are arguing exposing their cat to drugs is fine, for what? They can’t know that’s safe. Why take the risk? Might as well let them drink some wine while we are at it eh?
Senal@programming.dev 4 months ago
In this case i can’t see any big red flags.
The tone is a possibility, as i said, being correct isn’t an absolute defence against being considered an arsehole.
To be clear, I’m not implying you were incorrect, or the tone was incorrect, just that that kind of certainty (evidence based or not) gets some people’s backs up.
I don’t think it’s what you actually meant but this could be interpreted as “Somebody didn’t accept my answer and argued, so i told them to stop, they didn’t even though i was clearly correct, this is grating”
Firstly, welcome to public internet forums in general, this is common behaviour.
That aside, there are numerous trolls and bad faith “debaters” around, but just because you consider something petty doesn’t mean the other person does.
This is what i was trying to convey in my reply earlier, if almost all interactions end up with what you consider petty behaviour it’s worth considering the possibility that you are contributing to that outcome somehow.
So don’t, if you don’t want to continue the interaction then don’t reply.
Possibly, yes.
Honestly, it says to me that your communication skills might need some work.
Again, to be clear i don’t mean your communication of facts and information, i mean your ability to understand how phrasing something in a certain way might illicit a certain kind of response.
“Stop acting like a child” is a very good way to build enmity and confrontation, which is useful in some cases, if you intend to illicit that response.
However, saying something like that and then being confused/frustrated when people get confrontational and dismissive suggests a lack of understanding about the impact of tone and phrasing.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Because stoners are basically a cult at this point, and refuse anything even as remotely negative as “it’s not good for your cats?”
To be clear, I smoke most nights… but god damn do I hate people who feel the need to defend weed against everything. It’s a drug, y’all. It’s not good for you.
Senal@programming.dev 4 months ago
I mean, i specifically stated it wasn’t related to the actual topic being discussed, but i can address this anyway i suppose.
Possibly culty i suppose, about the same amount as alcohol consumers, smokers, people who see chiropractors etc.
Less than people in organised religion ( big cults ), actual cults and MLM schemes.
If all of the stoners you know are your definition of culty ( except you of course ), perhaps consider that it’s your choice in acquaintances rather than an entire demographic.
Can’t say i care either way, but i’d be interested in any studies you might have on the subject ( belief systems of stoners in general, not specifically the ones you know ofc, that would be unlikely )
If that personal preference works for you, who am i to tell you you’re wrong.
Drug doesn’t automatically imply harm, but i think i know what you mean.
EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re being unusually argumentative, and this argument with you is extraordinarily tiresome.
You haven’t presented any evidence that any harm is being done, and you’re over complicating this argument on any point that is necessary. That’s why I’m being dismissive. You continue assert that there is something wrong when you have presented no evidence that supports that claim. In fact, you constantly evade that claim.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Pfft. That’s the most ridiculous answer you could’ve given. I’m not sure if you’re looking for particular signs of cytotoxicity or you want he to prove that it causes hypoxia or what. But there are clear signs of intoxication that you’re actively ignoring just to get that dopamine hit.
Block away. I’m not sure why I’m wasting my time and energy with someone who doesn’t want to listen and would rather poison their pets.
I repeat my last line. What incredible irony to ask for evidence, dismiss it, and still do it in spite of it and in the absence of it. Oh well.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Ratio’d.
Not to mention, your cat has the intelligence of maybe a 3 year old. You’re sitting here arguing about whether or not it’s toxic to give weed to a cat when it has the ability to consent as much as a 3 year old does.
Enjoy whatever you enjoy, IDC - you’re a bad person for exposing your cat to the smoke, moreso that you’re doing it with the intent of getting it high whilst ignoring the potential downsides.
EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Could be worse— I could care about imaginary internet points or be confused about the meaning of the word “toxic”. But I suppose that such is the life of one who fills their day judging internet strangers.
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